The shutdown of is yet another warning sign for anybody providing valuable content to any closed, centralized platform.
Many of us will see shutdown of , , , you name it. Think about it.
Use services who support and data export & import.

@publicvoit Facebook and YouTube are likely in the "too big to fail" position by now or soon enough. YouTube's a cash cow for Google so no way they're going to pull the plug on it. Facebook is a valuable asset in surveillance and other sorts of industries since running a Web site is "too hard" nowadays.

Both major sites are fueled by advertising. Once it becomes socially acceptable to reject ads, then we may see FB/YT support waver. Or they'll just adapt somehow into something worse.

@rocx You're referring to the current situation. I bookmark your comment and return to you when one of them is shut down. 😏

>Many of us will see shutdown of #facebook, #YouTube, #Twitter, you name it.

I look forward to that day.

@publicvoit Most interesting, however, I felt in a similar situation a few weeks ago when one of the #fediverse instances I have an account on went down practically overnight without me having a chance to back up anything before. 😉

@z428 Wow, that's too bad.
I'll add a monthly TODO to export my Mastodon account data in any case.

As @z428 has pointed out, decentralisation does not offer almost any advantages in this particular respect.

Individual instances are *more* likely to shut down or be subject to successful hacking, #DoS or data loss compared to the giants. What changes is that not *all* data would disappear (or be hacked) overnight but only parts of it.

I also note that technologies such as #Mastodon depend heavily on the efforts of a single developer.


@61 @z428 I can absolutely follow your rationale but I do disagree. Any decentralized, federated system is much more likely to have an import/export mechanism which lets you create backups or switch to a different instance. With the example of Google+: everything is lost for good. All the effort was spent for nothing when it comes to preventing loss of knowledge.


Ok, but in that case it is sufficient to advocate data export / import, regardless of centralisation.

For the record, I do support decentralisation but merely because I do not believe our ability to communicate and exchange information should be in the hands of a monopoly. This is not the 80s anymore.


@publicvoit @z428

In any event, custody of own data should never be delegated to a third party unless you absolutely can afford losing it. I think we agree on that. 👍

@z428 I love the Fediverse but that's indeed a problem. I currently see only two solutions to this problem, to either choose a very thrustworthy instance (or creat your own) or the nomadic indentity which lets you create a mirror of your account on multiple sites. That last solutions is currently only implemented on Hubzilla and Zap.

@publicvoit "Content" is lost in any of the above. Mayhap YT but even there it's wasted the moment the subject of your content is problematic for advertisement. The lesson for me is: Host anything you put effort in yourself and just seed the links back to you. Mayhap crosspost as well but do not _rely_ on external services at all. Remember *cough* sourceforge *cough*?

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