This means every web browser is also spyware, according to these definitions.
I'll continue my use of TB, and I'm looking forward to the Matrix integration!
@PestToast Thank you for that broad, sweeping generalisation instead of some actual arguments as to why you think I'm wrong, that really gets the point across.
@doenietzomoeilijk I presented arguments via that link. Your response is that you don't care about being monitored as long as you get x new feature. That makes you a part of the problem. There's not much else to say.
@PestToast no, my response was that I think the arguments in that link are overblown, since they classify every bit of internet-facing software as spyware, which is a bit silly.
If using internet-facing software makes me part of the problem, I guess I can welcome you to the club, as well.
I'm all for being privacy-conscious and I strongly dislike spyware and its I'll, but this attitude you display might be a bigger problem to adoption of better software. People don't like zealotry.
@doenietzomoeilijk You're basically saying 'I've already been shot in the arm, why would I care if I get shot in the leg too? In fact, "I'm looking forward to" the shot in the leg, because it comes with a thing I like!'
You think the zealotry is annoying, and I think your mindless enthusiam and dismissal of concerns is annoying.
Software companies should not be encouraged to do bad stuff just because they give you a little treat.
That is why you're part of the problem.
@PestToast yes, a mail client with a web engine and tools to make setup easier for regular users are, of course, akin to grievous bodily harm.
Let's agree to disagree here, I don't think this discussion is going to go anywhere productive.
>not understanding how analogies work
No wonder you can't understand the problem with your thinking.
@doenietzomoeilijk @PestToast @selea most web browsers are indeed spyware. Virus has improved lately, DuckDuckGo on Android is good, but the rest are mostly terrible, especially Chrome which dominates desktop and mobile.
@kanazir @matrix https://developer.thunderbird.net/planning/roadmap plenty of email stuff in the roadmap.
Still no Close/Minimize To Tray option for TB in the roadmap? Don't get any notification of new emails when i closed TB. Hence I won't use it for Matrix chat if I don't receive instant notifications of new chat messages.
This is new to me. I'm on Windows, soon Linux. Can you please tell me where to find this setting?
@jwsp1 instructions on the 4th point in this article: https://www.ghacks.net/2020/07/16/a-look-at-some-of-the-changes-in-thunderbird-78/
@greypilgrim no search on mobile is a client problem, and what do you mean by message retention? "autodelete after x"? thats just security larping.
@bonifartius I do not mean that. I mean message retention in the fashion that Matrix Synapse server implements which is for DB space management. Add a new client to your account after messages are deleted from the server and it won’t be able to download them. This is different than email because a user can play within their mailbox size limitation not time frame limitation.
@greypilgrim yeah, but that's because messages can be "deleted".. i don't like that feature very much, in the end it's more of a strikethrough than removal :)
then, i don't think that mail should be replaced but that there should be interoperability. the olm crypto isn't really good for how async mail is though.
@ryanleesipes @matrix I know. And due to the limitations i never used it. But i accepted the fact that it was integrated. Now when something is going to be built into Thunderbird i'm asking you to not do it 😉 I will probably continue to use TB either way, but my personal opinion is that Matrix should not be integrated into TB.
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