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Hey guys, Thunderbird is STILL hiring developers. You can help modernize an application used by ~20,000,000 people and growing!

The open source community can make something better than Outlook, but only if folks come and build it.

thunderbird.net/careers

@ryanleesipes maybe they would find someone more easily if they didn't use Upwork to hire. Like, I would apply this second.

@meka @ryanleesipes wth is that about? Is this new or how thunderbird has been operating?

@1ll173r47 @meka depending on where you are we've begun hiring directly. But if you are in a country where we don't have a presence we use partners. Just depends, not always Upwork. 🤷 Hiring all over the world is hard, but we're doing the best we can.

@ryanleesipes @1ll173r47 I'm in Serbia, so is there any alternative to Upwork here?

@whilelm /sigh

I agree that something like "hey y'all" would be better (and it's what I use!), but this is just being wilfully pedantic. English doesn't really have a gender-neutral collective informal greeting besides something like y'all (which has historically been limited to the southern US in terms of reach), so "hey guys" has sort of taken the place of a proper gender-neutral greeting *whether or not it should*.

@chiraag please don't lament to me for a pattern that exclude half og the many people

@whilelm @chiraag sorry, typically I use "Hey folks" - but I'm just an infallible person. I don't mean to exclude anyone.

@ryanleesipes That's ok Ryan, that was just a way to tip you on this matter. Thank you for your ack.

@whilelm Fair enough, it was a bad take.

I guess I tend to give the benefit of the doubt in cases where it's clear from the context (i.e. Thunderbird's official job opening page) that they're not _trying_ to be exclusionary. I agree, though, that the casual use of gendered terms isn't exactly great and _should_ go the way of the dodo (and the dodo should go the way of gendered terms in our current language! 😂)

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> It should use web technologies and not rely on XUL widgets - the new
front-end is intended to serve as a testing ground for finding solutions
that we will need also elsewhere in the UI as we converge towards using
HTML.

soo.. they are building yet another webmailer? 😬

@ryanleesipes I seriously hope accessibility is a *huge* issue in this "modernization*. Thunderbird is seriously the only good accessible GUI email app on Linux. I mean, we seriously *can't* lose this.

@ryanleesipes
Best of luck!

Could someone also improve Evolution? After 20yrs with Thunderbird I had to switch to Evolution due to their new treatment of gnupg. Also scales much better with zigillons of email and calendar fully supports caldav discovey.

@xro @ryanleesipes friend of mine is happy with mutt, since 25years...

but its mutt.....

@ryanleesipes Nice to see some more web tech in Thunderbird.🤗

Is there any consideration of implementing some parts in Rust instead of C/C++ in the future?

Thank you for sharing this!❤️

@ryanleesipes i'd say Thunderbird has been better than MS Outlook for more than a decade. This is just increasing that lead.

@ryanleesipes for a moment there i thought that was "/developed/ by 20,000,000 people" and i was like "christ, and they need more developers?? no wonder mozilla ditched them"

Hi @ryanleesipes , I have a few questions about the positions: remote is globally remote or it is restricted to people living in selected countries? Are the web tech (JS/HTML/CSS) requirements hard? I have professional experience in C++, but only done some hobby stuff in web technology.

@pitbuster hey! It's globally remote, we have folks from all over the place.

We do have some C++ work that needs doing. I think if you have a background in that, it shouldn't be too bad to learn the other stuff, but I encourage you to brush up on JS, just because. 😁

@ryanleesipes hi, I sent an application e-mail a month and a half ago but I haven't received any answer, could it fallen through the cracks or do the application process just take time?

@ryanleesipes I'd be more impressed if Thunderbird upgrades didn't totally trash my theme/format selections. That shit really pisses me off.

@ryanleesipes @angristan I thought #Mozilla was embracing #Rust.. Thst page reads

> Mail protocol implementations or re-implementations in JavaScript.

...?

@ryanleesipes i know many people who would maybe apply if you don't hire only fulltime. just a hint.

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