@ryanleesipes maybe they would find someone more easily if they didn't use Upwork to hire. Like, I would apply this second.
I agree that something like "hey y'all" would be better (and it's what I use!), but this is just being wilfully pedantic. English doesn't really have a gender-neutral collective informal greeting besides something like y'all (which has historically been limited to the southern US in terms of reach), so "hey guys" has sort of taken the place of a proper gender-neutral greeting *whether or not it should*.
@ryanleesipes That's ok Ryan, that was just a way to tip you on this matter. Thank you for your ack.
Yes it is. Gimme a break with your "inclusive language".
You explained it to him actually. "hey guys".
@ryanleesipes shared a job offer with nothing else in mind, a job for a FOSS moreover. You have to be a retard to see bad intent.
Then you have @whilelm (who blocked me btw)
which is a dude - so not even his business - and apparently lefty activist from France (so quite boring :)).
You can see his timeline, it'is full on anti-RMS for the moment.
So yes, this is an "emmerdeur".
@hicks @ryanleesipes @whilelm I literally made it clear later that I _do_ assume the best intent in many cases. But that doesn't mean we can't perpetuate harmful assumptions. It doesn't require bad intent to be harmful.
I'm a cishet dude, but I also _listen_ to people when they say something is harmful. Seems like you just want to dismiss me (or someone else) based on their identity (rather than actually engaging with the points that are brought up).
"best intent" but you used the old rhetorical trick of repressed fear against me.
The point is: "Hey guys" is a well known meme/slang, it was not exclusive, nor offensive, especially in this context
This @whilelm was not even interested by the offer and just thrown his dump away as an inquisitor and going on his hunt against RMS.
> It doesn't require bad intent to be harmful.
So your intent to not make it harmful... is harmful.
You start to get it or?
@hicks @whilelm @ryanleesipes @whilelm You're hell-bent on keeping things the way they are, where 'guy' is used as a synonym for 'person'. I'm not, because I recognize that times change. That's pretty much all that is going on here. You don't want to acknowledge that harm can be perpetrated without intent.
How is what I (or others) doing harmful? People are literally just asking for a change in language to make it more inclusive. OP even admitted they messed up, and only you are fighting back.
"OP even admitted they messed up."
You put the pressure on him, he is representing his employer as a community manager.
> You don't want to acknowledge that harm
No I don't because no woman complained.
Ho, they couldn't act on their own?! Why are you diminishing them?
And also I see how @whilelm acts on his timeline.
> I recognize that times change"
OP literally said they normally use more inclusive language and this was a slip-up. They weren't "pressured" into anything.
Maybe more women aren't speaking up because they think (rightfully so) that they'll get asinine responses like yours because the FOSS movement is full of toxic assholes like yourself. Yeah, it's name-calling. Yeah, I don't care.
@whilelm Fair enough, it was a bad take.
I guess I tend to give the benefit of the doubt in cases where it's clear from the context (i.e. Thunderbird's official job opening page) that they're not _trying_ to be exclusionary. I agree, though, that the casual use of gendered terms isn't exactly great and _should_ go the way of the dodo (and the dodo should go the way of gendered terms in our current language! 😂)
Come on @whilelm . don't pretend
1) an opensource project won't hire a woman
2) an employer won't hire a skilled woman
And if you start like this, it's unlikely that you will get something.
Because one thing that most people dislike is whinnies (be it a boy or girl).
I wish you good luck too.
Your second point is exactly what happens statistically. Of course that's not even the only problem and there are many reasons.
This topic not only applies to women but to queer people as well.
> It should use web technologies and not rely on XUL widgets - the new
front-end is intended to serve as a testing ground for finding solutions
that we will need also elsewhere in the UI as we converge towards using
soo.. they are building yet another webmailer? 😬
@ryanleesipes I seriously hope accessibility is a *huge* issue in this "modernization*. Thunderbird is seriously the only good accessible GUI email app on Linux. I mean, we seriously *can't* lose this.
Best of luck!
Could someone also improve Evolution? After 20yrs with Thunderbird I had to switch to Evolution due to their new treatment of gnupg. Also scales much better with zigillons of email and calendar fully supports caldav discovey.
@ryanleesipes Nice to see some more web tech in Thunderbird.🤗
Is there any consideration of implementing some parts in Rust instead of C/C++ in the future?
Thank you for sharing this!❤️
@ryanleesipes i'd say Thunderbird has been better than MS Outlook for more than a decade. This is just increasing that lead.
@hicks @ryanleesipes huh. Are you using IMAP for your mail? In that case, search is as good as your IMAP server's search... but I've always been pretty impressed with T-Bird for search... and the quick-search bar (needs to be enabled) is essential - I use it many times a day - it's pretty instantaneous, and I have many GBs of mail.
Quick search? "Quick filter", you mean ?
I do have it but it works only in the active selected directory. And when you do, it use the default search.
What I want - or expect let's say - is a global search searching thru the selected mailbox (not subdir) and showing match in the right order.
But indeed, I do use IMAP but TB keeps a local copy (cached), doesn't it?
Not sure if it is a good thing to hijack this thread, though. :)
@ryanleesipes for a moment there i thought that was "/developed/ by 20,000,000 people" and i was like "christ, and they need more developers?? no wonder mozilla ditched them"
Hi @ryanleesipes , I have a few questions about the positions: remote is globally remote or it is restricted to people living in selected countries? Are the web tech (JS/HTML/CSS) requirements hard? I have professional experience in C++, but only done some hobby stuff in web technology.
@pitbuster hey! It's globally remote, we have folks from all over the place.
We do have some C++ work that needs doing. I think if you have a background in that, it shouldn't be too bad to learn the other stuff, but I encourage you to brush up on JS, just because. 😁
@ryanleesipes I'd be more impressed if Thunderbird upgrades didn't totally trash my theme/format selections. That shit really pisses me off.
@ryanleesipes i know many people who would maybe apply if you don't hire only fulltime. just a hint.
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