@Aaron@boringpeople.org @jerry @cwcopa thing is, the #efail issue is not just about future e-mail that is going to be written and sent. It's about all past encrypted e-mails. And that's why it's so problematic, and that's why I can see how EFF's recommendation made a lot of sense.
It was about protecting past communication.
Plus, everyone should really have 2 secure channels. Just in case. Use Signal.
@xrevan86 please give me a better solution for journalists from across the world, without a way of physically meeting, and with a need for good crypto, a mobile and desktop client, and a way to share files securely.
A lot are still using Telegram or Viber. We tried pushing Tox but it was nigh-unusable to regular people. Briar is interesting, but still barely out the gate. Wire is tempting, but we barely moved people to Signal from Telegram, Viber, WhatsApp.
@xrevan86 we had to make a decision 3 years ago and Wire was not ready yet. Signal was the only viable option. And it took 3 years to move most of people in our network to Signal. Not doing this again, Signal provides great security, and while I personally hate the fact that it's centralized (or even server based at all), I have to live with that.
@xrevan86 I used to run 2 XMPP servers. Tried setting up audio communication, and MUC, and send files, and it was always a major pain in the arse, and barely worked if worked at all.
XMPP is not a solution in any way, shape, or form, until they fix the "random XEPs implemented by random clients/servers" bullshit.
As to Wire, if I had to make this decision today, Wire would probably be it. But I am not going to move hundreds of people to Wire right now; Signal is good enough.
@xrevan86 XMPPs security (i.e. OTR) is an add-on, just like PGP/GPG for e-mail. There is friction, there is additional attack surface, and it fails every now and then. End to end encryption cannot be an afterthought.
@xrevan86 I am not trying to convince you to drop XMPP.
I am explaining why XMPP is not a solution in my case.
There is an important difference between the two.
@xrevan86 well then, we're back on Signal. :)
@xrevan86 on the contrary, do a little google search for my name and let's talk after you do. Such keywords as "technomonopolies" might be useful, too.
But I have to secure communications of non-techies, today, and in a way that works. XMPP is nowhere near being able to do this.
I am looking at Briar though, with a lot of hope.
Surprisingly, e-mail is exactly that.
Signal could be that, if it opened the server and enabled federation.
Wire could be that if more people pick it up, but I have to choose my battles and that's not the hill I am willing to die on.
Briar hopefully, one day, in an ideal world.
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