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Hey somebody mentioned here Maciej Cegłowski and the term he coined for people and companies hiding behind the complexity of artificial intelligence and machine algorithms.

Hiding as in pretending it's not the people's/company's fault that an AI algo did something bad/stupid, it's the AI's fault. Shifting the blame.

It was a neat phrase, two words, can't remember it for the life of me.

Halp?

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@ktsukik nah, the term was different, two words.

@alcinnz YESSSS!

Thank you. Much appreciated.

@rysiek one famous quote from him related to this is 'Machine learning is like money laundering for bias' (e.g. used in this talk idlewords.com/talks/sase_panel) but it's more than 2 words...

@charlyblack 10/10, that's what I'm looking for. Also "morality laundering".

Thanks.

@rysiek @charlyblack
Sounds like you were conceiving another talk, this time on ethics?

That "morality laundering" sounds a lot like what happened at concentration camps as well... One person closes a group of people in a chamber, another one puts some chemicals where they're asked to, next one just adds water and it starts...

@pfm @charlyblack I try to avoid such... strong comparisons, but the basic idea is correct.

There was a great talk at CCC, not on the main schedule though (so no recording sadly) about ethics in pure math.

That was exactly the point. "I was following orders" and "this is a theoretical problem, it is not my fault if somebody deploys my solution" are not good enough.

@starbreaker @gcupc this thread is now officially gold.

Thank you all.

@rysiek "sie trüben Alle ihr Gewässer, dass es tief scheine",

Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche: Also sprach Zarathustra
Chapter 50