@jerry @Aaron@boringpeople.org what we really need is a way to securely send e-mail.

People will continue to send e-mail. There is no way this goes away antime soon. People will send sensitive stuff via e-mail.

We can spend time discussing just how exactly people should not use e-mail, or we can build a system that works.

I like the ideas behind PEP and AutoCrypt. I'd like to see them implemented in more clients.

@rysiek @Aaron I’m all for something that works and is usable. I can’t help but think that we need to take a step back and put some focus on designing the successor to smtp mail, rather than continuing to try to keep adding parts to Frankenstein.

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I have a feeling that right now, SMTP has the biggest adoption of all federated messagning protocols, and the second place is far far behind. Of all the new communication protocols I've seen recently, they're either popular, or federated, not both. And trying to get your new protocol adopted not just by people for their private communications, but also by companies, govts, and orgs for their internal and external communication is going to be extremely hard.

@Wolf480pl @rysiek @Aaron you’re right. It would need to be an IETF standard, not some garage project, though. And even then, IPv6 is an IETF standard and most ISPs and consumers would rather suffer from lack of IPs than make the move.

@Wolf480pl @rysiek @Aaron having said that, I look at my kids (late teens) and realize that email will likely be relegated to inter and intra corporation communications. I’m not saying this is a good thing, mind you, because I don’t think replacing email with a series of Snapchat pictures is the most ideal solution, either.

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@jerry @Wolf480pl @Aaron@boringpeople.org ut that's why I said we have a head start.

We either do this now, however, or we will have to deal with having to do the same thing but for a closed, proprietary, walled garden like Failspook.

@rysiek @Wolf480pl @Aaron true. Email itself is becoming rapidly less federated. It’s becoming increasingly more painful to run a mail server (I speak from much experience) and it’s all moving to just a few providers (google, MS, etc). Point is, I think we’re moving to that walled garden even with smtp.

@jerry @rysiek @Wolf480pl @Aaron Interesting discussion! And I recently tooted a thread about a different angle on why so many people are so attracted to these centralised e-mail and other services. It's accessibility for people with disabilities, non-tech users etc. These big companies usually have much better resources to make things usable for a broader audience. See my thread here: toot.cafe/@marcozehe/100032643

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