Wait, what. Windows 10 sends info on USB devices plugged in directly to Microsoft?
And it does that using pure HTTP?
https://pastebin.com/ttYp5rLg
You gotta be kidding me.
@rysiek @scroom
Any non-geek buying a win10 pc and clicking through will be sending a *mountain* of info to redmond.
Even a geek can't stop it entirely during install on a business pc. The only 100% cure is to cfg the router I suppose.
For a friend I'd... <screech!> ... well, I wouldn't let a friend use the thing or any ms code.
20 years ago I told everyone if they wouldn't use gnu/linux or bsd they could find another someone to help them. Lost exactly zero friends, but lost a lot of probs
20 years ago i hoped everyone would be using *nix. Today they are!
Everywhere but the desktop :-(
Websites are linux or bsd. Same for cell phones. Every top 100 super computer is linux. Alarms and control. Routers and other embedded systems...
At least the servers at work are linux.
@gemlog @scroom @rysiek There are already companies running Linux/BSD only on Desktop too. I have the advantage of owning the company and we run 3 busniess areas. All jobs are done Linux/BSD only. Mobile still some IOS stuff, but willing and more than happy to buy Librem 5 if they make it to the market. Actually there is only FOSS Software used on Desktop/Servers, changed VMWare to Promox too and it looks like its working out as expected.
@kmj @scroom @rysiek My own government frustrates me.
Our large school district was managed with gpl s/w coded by a local. It was on e.g. freshmeat and used in a few other places in our province and in random places over the world. 1 day someone had lunch with someone and the govt mandated everyone buy microsoft!
Also, forced to use msw by pharmacare & bc med (govt) at my current employ. It's damn frustrating frankly.
@gemlog @scroom @rysiek time is on FOSS side, but for sure if marketing budget comes in, somebody wiill heavily try to let people run stuff they sale. Interesting side is that more and more Administrators knowing what they do are showing up. These educated guys will replace the clicki-clicki guys. If Amins know what they do, they love setting things up in Linux/BSD. The ones only know where they clicked, without idea why its working now, will be step by step replaces with OS Upgrades. :-)
@kmj @scroom @rysiek Seen it the other way tho. At one of the larger places i did with ~100 staff they interviewed several local IT firms to take over from me. I gave them network diagrams and docs. I explained how DRBD etc worked and they had a lot of custom scripts to automate projects and field work.
Within 3 months they nuked it all, and msw'd the place. Also, I gave them the db and public_html to host in my stead. Hacked and defaced in a week.
Even 25 yrs out I rejoice seeing linux on a pc.
@gemlog @scroom @rysiek i still think it will change. to much of these excel-sheet managers out there and they all have the companies leaned to the max. only thing the spare more money and hide their problem to run a company the serious way, is to reduce software costs with FOSS. i am sure this will happen soon.
@tw @rysiek @kmj @scroom I doubt anyone here is dumb enough to actually mount an argument with such a person using that language; it's a good point though.
It does happen that people who blindly buy into oracle, ibm, microsoft et al. are extremely unlikely to be reading this thread -- or any other about computers.
They are programmed by the advertising and the culture that arose from it. They don't seek information on a topic they are largely uninterested in other than a pay-cheque.
@gemlog @rysiek @kmj @scroom the way you refer to people privately inevitably colors your direct interactions with them. The world needs more respect.
I don't dispute the things you say many folks do. But calling them lemmings, whether they'll ever read it or not, doesn't move the conversation forward. How do we change the behaviors? How do we make F(L)OSS more appealing to them, or visible at all?
@tw @rysiek @kmj @scroom Yeah, I don't remember exactly what it was. Probably tried to upsell the hell out of me I imagine. These days i don't really need dynamic dns much, but I happily pay those crazy bulgarians at cloudns. Great interface, marvelous support and features. I think I could use the free version now. I just keep paying, because happy :-)
If I'm having good times (rare) I even contribute to their fav bulgarian kids charity.
@gemlog @tw @rysiek @scroom the Lemmings was from me and for sure in German I would have more words to be prezise. :-) For me this is the word to explain it best in a foreign language, but I am happy to learn new words if you have some. We have to decide between these L Administrators making decissions in companies and the L non techie users. L never was meant to be no gent, it was meant to describe the situation in short also for non english natives. :-)
@kmj @tw @rysiek @scroom I don't know if there is a polite single word for people who base their decisions on what they perceive as the main stream. Do you have one in Deutsch?
English doesn’t “borrow” from other languages: it follows them down dark alleys, knocks them over, and goes through their pockets for loose grammar and valuable vocabulary.
Actually, that probably won't work anyhow. Means the same as 'lemmings' :-)
Mainstream managers or purchasing agents maybe.
@gemlog @tw @rysiek @scroom not one single word, you need more words in German too. You are able to say it polite or hard. There is an real problem actually in every language, that most peoples level to react to things or respond needs the hard way, because everything else falls below of the level to be heared or seen in the masses of informations. Like if you shoot into the air, everynbody listens now, if you try to make them listen you will need lot of time. Non techies are flooded with infos
@gemlog @kmj @tw @rysiek @scroom
Tbh, when other people ask me for help with software, I often just turn into a mode where I treat them as a terminal emulator. IOW, I ask them what they see, and tell them precisely what to type or click, without explaining why.
I hate myself for doing it.
I'd love to explain this stuff to them, but it's hard, they don't know any of the words....
@Wolf480pl @kmj @tw @rysiek @scroom
You pretty much just have to do that over the phone.
Most don't mind as they just want their problem resolved and want to move on.
It's hard to understand at first that people aren't interested, but they just aren't for the most part.
It's a tool like a pen or a shovel. Not a passion, not an interest, not a hobby.
@Wolf480pl @kmj @tw @rysiek @scroom
Dunno. That's never happened to me; why/how would it even?
It's not like sociology or medieval poetry. When geek meets geek it is sorted out within a minute or two who can learn and who can teach. Math/phys is wonderful that way. No bs-ing.
Really, I doubt you'd get the chance. The other techie would keep interrupting with questions! ;-)
@gemlog @Wolf480pl @tw @rysiek @scroom pretty easy, after 2 minutes the good one listens to the better one and tries to learn as much as possible.
@gemlog @kmj @tw @rysiek @scroom
I have a friend who uses Gentoo and Arch Linux, runs a few servers on his VPS, and adminstrates a cluster for a supercomputing competition.
But he's very frustrated with stuff.
When things don't work, his first reaction is getting angry and cursing all over the place, and second reaction is shotgun-debugging.
Yesterday I helped him configure IPv6 on his new VPS.
He didn't ask questions.
Only after we were done, I explained to him why what we did worked.
@rysiek @gemlog @scroom i agree with your not fired and upfron costs statement mostly. For me there are leaders, taking responsibility for their actions and Lemmings trying to protect their job without looking for the best for the company. Lemmings in meetings defends themselfs with "I bought what all others bought too, so I am not the one responsible." . Additionally, they throw out companies money to fullyfy their idea to defend their job as much as possible.