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I'm in Strasbourg, lobbying hard. Updates soon, but was able to talk to Axel Voss, the main guy behind the current (bad) versions of and . Doing my best to .

Lessons from today:
- Pro-Art11/Art13 MEPs do not know how copyright law works (no surprises there, the copyright law is a mess!)
- Wikimedia Commons is a very good example of a service that could suffer very much.
- As during , MEPs are not entirely against sitting down and discussing the issues.

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👍 a big THX and keep on doing the good job!

Oh, and yes, I used / as an example of services that would get hit hard with / . The Fediverse is helping to too now! :)

Another important take-away from my meetings already: calling MEPs is way more effective than e-mailing them.

E-mailing MEPs with a standard e-mail from a template can actually be counter-productive.

If you can, please *call* your MEPs. You can find your MEP here:

If you'd rather e-mail, please write two-three paragraphs in your own words, from your e-mail address. Even if it's not as slick as the template, it will work way better!

People like Julia Reda could be fixing the underlying problems of copyright law in EU. I could be focusing on helping journalists stay safe and uncover corruption and organized crime.

Many other people could be spending their time way more productively.

Instead, we need to focus on this bullcrap so that people who can't even into Internets don't break our main creative outlet, communication channel, our main knowledge base.

Because Axel Springer told them to.


But I guess that the basics need to be taught and discussed over and over and over, because otherwise they become forgotten and, surprisingly, stop being basic in turn.

History likes going in circles.

@phoe but but but we taught them all of this 6 years ago during ! It was literally almost the same!

Well, to be honest some remember, and are strongly on our side. Polish MEPs Thun, Boni are great on this. Not in the least because they *remember* ACTA, and learned from it.

@rysiek It doesn't really matter it was almost the same. People don't learn that well. And the ones who are taught often disappear and go do other things, and new ones are elected instead of them, who do not remember, do not know, and need to be taught again and anew.

@rysiek any chance you have some numbers to quantify that?

Also, how could emailing a template be worse than doing nothing?

@kitdarko I've had two meetings with MEPs so far, one leaning our way, and Voss.

Both complained about the template e-mails. The one leaning our way said specifically they are an annoyance, and that they make it hard to find actually important e-mails in the deluge of such (what he called) spam.

I asked them what would work better and that's what they gave me: calls. or at least e-mails actaully written by the sender.

I trust them. These are the people we try to reach, after all.

@rysiek I imagine physical letters still have a lot of impact too?

I'm also basically assuming what's true for you in Europe is true for me in Australia


Really interesting about the leaning MEP, thank you.

So if we share posts about this, we should tell people to call or at least write in their own words?

It could also have an impact on how people conduct campaigns in the future on other topics.

>or at least write in their own words?

I believe it's also usefull to make the message personalized for the specific target.

@rysiek @kitdarko I guess this is an important point.
On one hand, templates help people (like me) who struggle with writing E-Mails. Without them, there possibly wouldn't be such a great amount of people who participate.
On the other hand, if people only use the template without writing anything on their own, we get the situation you mentioned.
Maybe future campaigns should offer only some "guides" what one could write, and avoid ready-made templates?

@uvok @rysiek @kitdarko
I used saveyourinternet.eu

They offer you a template but also a few points that you could write yourself instead of the template. I translated those points into my own words and language and sent that email through their service to my MEPs.

(I also tried calling but I started to panic when the answering machine called back, so that fell through. :( I'll try again tomorrow.)

@rysiek I always wondered if those standard template mails where a good thing (instead of as you say, using your own words).

Thanks for sharing this insight!

@Ilja sometimes they might be. But it's tricky.

It's *always* better to just send an e-mail with your own text.

Standard template mails or your own words. Which would you pay attention to if you got 100 or 10000 of them?

But you said before that it can't do any harm...

@Wolf480pl I said e-mailing your MEP can't do any harm, that's true. Apparently I was wrong, and in some circumstances e-mailing your MEP with a template e-mail coming from an automated service might actually be a bit harmful.

We all learn.

@rysiek Yeah, such laws often tend to get drafted in a very poor form and there's a lot of negotiations going on to make them work.

@rysiek that’s good to hear. thank you for putting in so much legwork on everyone’s behalf! <3

@rysiek thank you for fighting the good fight.

@rysiek I made the mistake of participating in the email spam problem, but mostly because I'm not sure I'll still be able to call the MEPs in time.

It's good to know and somewhat unexpected that MEPs don't just count pro/con emails but actually read the text.

@ente their assistants definitely do. ;)

Thank you for sending the e-mail nonetheless. It's important people get involved and it shows the MEPs that there's interest.

But people will have to re-think e-mail campaigs in the future.

On my way to a meeting with a few MEPs. Wish me luck.

These are mostly sympathethic to our cause, but perhaps need a few strong arguments. Hopefully, I can provide that.

But this time try explaining without whisky. Otherwise they might get distracted. 😉

But seriously, this is something great you are doing. Good luck!

the experience you made and what you learned from would be a great theme for a blogpost ;-)

Big thanks for all the effort that goes into fighting it! #Art11 #Art13 #SaveYourInternet

And this concludes our tour of Strasbourg and its labirynth of halls and procedures.

I am on the train back home. I would have stayed longer and worked on more, but could not. :/

This is not the end of the fight. The vote is way too close to call. Every MEP counts. I will be calling them from the train, I would even call them from the plane if it were an option.

Your calls are working. MEPs are changing their minds. I saw this first hand.

You have the power!

I have so many things I need to write about after this trip. Please poke me if I don't deliver in a few days!

@webmind @jeroenpraat which table?
You mean, discussing issues? It was always open. Everybody just hoped reality and rationality will win in the JURI commission. We did contact the JURI commission members and talk to them, but they decided (majority of 1 vote!) to go with the crazy option.

Hence the current shitstorm.


I'd love to have proper discussions with MEP's, but all these actions feel so very rushed rushed. Everytime I hear about it, it's we need action -now- and soon it's too late.

That's neither a modus of working or of cooperation.

@webmind that's true, but Wikimedia, EDRi and others were working behind the scenes all of this time. The information was there. Look at Julia Reda's blog and the dates of blogposts about this.

It's just that people seem to start caring when it's very close to a very bad outcome. It's hard to galvanize people unless shit is *looming*.

@rysiek @webmind bad shit is being planned all the time. Everyone can't work on all of it. Effective organizing requires presenting the most crucial information in the simplest and clearest possible way, so you can galvanize enough people, at the critical times when it will make a difference to the outcome.



You also wear people out I think like this. I don't want to critisise edri and the likes. What I want is more transparant government.

To me this feels exhausting

@webmind @strypey sure. But give me a working alternative and I'll jump on it.

Julia had been writing about this for ages. Asta I remember was getting people to take part in these consultations at CCC 3 or 4 years ago! And then JURI commission decided to ignore that input because the other side lobbied so hard and with a plan.

So tell me, what will work better, honestly, we need a better way! But we have limited resources, and are working against companies that have *unlimited* resources.