Calling all admins of instances in the . The is coming, we need to show the MEPs how massively the EU Internets will be affected.

We are preparing a list of all EU-based , , , , , and any other instances.

Please *contact me*. All I need is the domain name, which EU Member State it's located in, and the rough topic of the instance. Approximate user count welcome, but not necessary.

Please help. This is important.


@lain doesn't matter. The Directive will affect everything. And even if there are some exceptions, they will be artificial and eventually dismantled.

We either stop it now, or we get stuck with it.

@lain ah nice. Problem with that, of course, is that "profit-making purposes" is so wide that it's almost irrelevant.

I mean, yeah, private instances will not fall under that. But as soon as you accept any donations...

@rysiek @lain no, it isn’t the case at all.

Accepting donations to keep a site open is tangential to the economic activity described in the article. In addition, the definition of “profit making activity” commonly used in the CJEU is not wide, it’s quite narrow.

I know there is a state which ignores that jurisprudence (Germany), but it’s an exception.

I mean, I want to burn the whole thing down, but panics and flaps about these things aren’t the way to achieve that.

@dgold @lain that's good to know. Can you link to more info on the CJEU interpretation?

My experience is that once such a thing is included, it *will* get expanded and reinterpreted to benefit the biggest players. The only moment to stop that is before it becomes law.

@dgold @lain another way to look at that is: what happens if Sony BMG decides to bend the rules a little and goes after such a donation-run instance? Will the instance admin have the energy, time, and most importantly -- money to fight it in court?

@rysiek @dgold @lain wasn't this EU copyright directive going to affect all services available in Europe not just those based in Europe?


It doesn’t affect “all services” Yes it affects some services available in Europe There is an extraordinary amount of FUD being peddled.

@rysiek @lain

@rysiek @lain

Trilogue Proposal Amendment 143:-

The definition of online content sharing service providers under this Directive does not cover microenterprises and small sized enterprises within the meaning of Title I of the Annex to Commission Recommendation 2003/361/EC

2003/361/EC Annex 1, Article 2, Clause 3:-

a microenterprise is defined as an enterprise which employs fewer than 10 persons and whose annual turnover and/or annual balance sheet total does not exceed EUR 2 million.

@rysiek @lain All this screaming of opposition against the proposal comes down to a simple calculus:-

Freedumb vs. Regulation

The US-based congloms want to mine data, they want to profit, they want eyeballs watching their shit to keep them in the green. They want all the content, and they don’t give a shit where it comes from or who’s entitled to it as long as they profit.

They pay huge amounts of money to people who rephrase this desire in terms of “Freedom”, and the pseudo-left tech circle-jerk jump to attention and run off less than half-cocked.

Is the EU perfect? Fuck no. Its a bureaucratic mess of the highest order, a centrist (at best) neoliberal wet dream made manifest.

Do I lend a certain amount of credence to it, as against the well-oiled P.R. machines of Google, Facebook et al & their “useful idiots”?

Yes, especially when it is trivial to show that they are all lying to us.


I don't see where the "backfire" you're characterising applies? What element of what you've outlined do you think is contrary to the goals of the directive as drafted?

@lain @rysiek
@lain @rysiek tbh I have the feeling that they'll fuck over all instances that have donations anyway
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