The level of stockholm syndrome among techies is fascinating:
"Google charges a few dollars for every 1,000 times the map is accessed by users. On the afternoon of the first day after the web site went live, Wu received a bill for $2,000. The next day, the total jumped to $26,000."
"Google also helped out by waiving Maps charges in the interest of fighting Covid-19."
If only there was some other, free, map. If only...
@rysiek How does waiving charges help fight a pandemic?
@jkb the developer that made a tool very useful in fight against the pandemic is now not having to cover hundreds of thousands of dollars of charges.
Or, you know, they could use OSM instead.
@rysiek As a bonus they would get much higher-quality maps.
Some UK Government departments use OSM these days (Ofcom certainly does when you licence a radio transmitter); it must be cheaper than internal funds transfers to Ordnance Survey (OS UK have also started sharing some data that OSM uses)
@vfrmedia the reason why OSM was created was that Ordnance Survey maps were stupid expensive.
@rysiek they've drastically reduced the prices of their GIS services in recent years and updated their website but its also surprisingly difficult to purchase a custom OS paper map centered on a local area (I ended up using OSM for this purpose and using our heavy duty Japanese printer at work to do this instead)
I think the issue here is getting this data is dependent on Google's surveillance tech gathered from monitoring the movements of all Android users who don't switch it off (which a FOSS project might find it difficult to convince users to opt in to).
I use a standalone satnav in my car (TomTom) to avoid risks of old bill accusing me of mobile use behind the wheel, it does pick up traffic data (for which I use a separate mobile as an LTE modem) but thats not 100% up to date
they have to use the OS grid reference locations, but can use OSM for public facing websites. Most internal GIS systems are filled with OS data as they are 20-30 years old and those organisations using them have already paid for OS licence.
An OS grid ref can be converted to work with OSM but the maths isn't trivial (the 'British grid flattens the earth, that has to be compensated for)
@rysiek you think this is stockholm syndrome and not plain old ignorance?
@wolf480pl perhaps it's both.
@rysiek The world is too dominated by those big companies. :(
@feld that is in no small part related to the fact that Apple makes it really hard for FLOSS tools to be published in the AppStore.
As much as OpenStreeMap people are trying, it's also to some extent on the users of mobile devices to press upon Apple to stop being ornery about that.
Switching platforms is hard, I know, and the mobile ecosystem in general is a mess, but in some part by buying iOS devices one enables Apple's less-then-excellent behaviour.
If you use GAFAM for sth that the market does not understand (read: progressive social change, solidarity, etc) and what you do has some impact, there is always a chance the response to be either paywall or ban.
@rysiek A good read about #OpenStreetMap and #Google's greed*: http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2019/12/13/why-nukemap-isnt-on-google-maps-anymore/
"But in 2018, Google changes its pricing model, and my bill jumped to more like $1,800 per month. As in, over $20,000 a year. Which is several times my main hosting fees (for all of my websites)."
* I'm describing their behaviour as greed because for $200 per month from a SINGLE user you can pay a good VPS and a lot of egress bandwidth and good profit.
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