"From 2015 to 2019, ran the world's largest trial of a shorter working week. An analysis of the results was finally published this week, and surprise! Everyone was happier, healthier, and more productive. Please pretend to be surprised."
mashable.com/article/iceland-f

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@rysiek
"This study shows that the world's largest ever trial of a shorter working week in the public sector was by all measures an overwhelming success"

That is the catch, you are only surveying the people enjoying the benefits of the measure and silencing those who will pay the price.

In the private sector you can't shorten the hours worked and keep the same wedges without compulsively plundering the employers...

@lovizio did you just completely miss the fact that productivity went up or stayed the same, or are you purposefully trying to muddy the waters here?

Honest question.

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@rysiek
Please, ask openly, no problem :D

How production is measured?
How that measurement takes into account subkective well being of the entire population involved in the economy?

My point os that it can't and thus it only is taking into account some arbitrary measire that show the result they want to show, metodologically is kind of weak, is a byased measurement.

@rysiek
In particilar in the public sector, is a problem harder to solve.

How the private sector "knows” wen some product/service is not required?:
Because nobody voluntarily buy it (value more the product than the price they are paying), thet reveils the preferences that otherwise cant be articulated untill that choice

Since the thaxpayer can't express their will by quiting paying taxes when the state uses that money for things they don't want, that things and services keeps being produced.

@lovizio productivity is not measured by how much of your stuff people buy. Productivity is measured with how much of the stuff you produce.

You are claiming it's harder to measure productivity in the public sector than in the private sector -- okay, interesting. Do you have any source?

@rysiek

Yes, but you can have situations of high productivity and cero well being, the case of a slave is a nice example.

Depending on who you ask in your study and how, you may get different results (ask the master, the slave, both... you get the idea)

@lovizio so, effectively, your point is that studies are impossible.

That's a starting point that makes any discussion impossible too, so not sure why we're talking.

Unless we can agree that while no methodology is perfect, studies still let us reason about the world.

If we do, then perhaps you'd be interested in this study by *Microsoft* that led to similar results (productivity up by ~40%):
mashable.com/article/microsoft

@rysiek

Never say that, but to be clear:

Studies are posible but you have to be super cautious on how you set them up.

Maybe we are tlaking to not fall in the echo chamber of each one, kind of healthy sometimes. 🤷‍♂️

Assuming that both studies are right and that is the outcome of changing the hours worked, that would be a killer, companies and unions both will be pleased, needless to say the current governament, if that is trully a win win situation, but why do you think is not implemented?

@lovizio somebody already put it pretty well somewhere in this thread: it just doesn't fit with the "life is a zero-sum game" philosophy deeply embedded in and internalized by capitalism.

The problem is that life is not, in fact, a zero-sum game. These studies are a good reminder of that.

@rysiek

Capitalism doesn't say that life is a cero sum game.

I don't think is a cero sum game in this regard (obviously othe field it is, but you get my point) that other point in wicj we both agree

Even more! Thay guy von Mises, also say it is Not a cero sum game, so maybe there you can find something interesting. And actually he proves you are kind of right by believing that.

So lets try to assume less what the other is saying or thinking and just ask

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