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@simonv3 @Antanicus @NOiDEa We shouldn't expect the voice of the people to be the one providing answers to society's problems. The people are there to highlight when something is wrong, and to do that they are uniquely qualified.

Political parties are the ones who are there to take that discontent and shape into a course of political action.

Whether political parties actually do that or not... that's an entirely different problem.

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@jjatria @Antanicus @NOiDEa if the voice of the people isn't what's controlling our democracies than they're not democracies.

Most of our nation states have elected to do this through republic representation, but it's still - in theory if not in practice - the voice of the people.

· Amaroq · 0 · 1

@simonv3 @Antanicus @NOiDEa I didn't say anything about who is "controlling our democracies". What I meant was that what drives the people to the streets is discontent, and that discontent does not need to come bundled with a concrete political path to a solution, or even a clear diagnostic of what the solution is.

That is not the role of the people. That is the role of political parties: they heed the discontent, and articulate it into policy

@jjatria @simonv3 @NOiDEa this might have been true up to the '70s, but it's no longer the case because of the two funamental changes neoliberalism introduced into the fabric of our society: 1. by offshoring production, it destroyed organized labour, which acted as a counterbalance to corporate power 2. by severing the ties between people and politics, it produced a general disenfranchisement that results in a deep distrust towards politics

@Antanicus @simonv3 @NOiDEa You talk about the distrust in politics as a bad thing (which it is), but then you celebrate the fact that "the age of ideologies is over" (which is not). I don't get that

Ideology is a political compass that helps us evaluate the circumstantial choices we make every day and check whether they are a step forward or not

I prefer to not be so cynic: cynicism is the gateway drug to political conservatism