I kinda get the complaints (e.g. andregarzia.com/2020/03/privat) about Apple killing PWAs but I don't feel strongly about it, largely because I've stopped caring about the web as an application platform.

We've been trying this web apps thing for over a decade, and a few things should be abundantly clear by now:

- Web apps will always have worse UX than nice native apps. The barrier to entry may be low, but so is the ceiling on what you can build
- The web fundamentally assumes a client-server paradigm no matter what you tack onto it, making it a bad fit if you care about privacy
- Anything we add to browsers can and will be used for adtech/surveillance


The web is great for static information pages and low-fi UI prototyping, but for everything else just use the native toolkit.

Conclusion: Fuck web apps, native GTK rules. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

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P.S: If you're using an OS where the only way to get native apps is through a megacorp you don't trust, then PWAs are probably not your biggest problem...

@tbernard Its not even about the app distribution, there doesn't exist a commercial OS that isn't from a megacorp apart from Elementary OS

Like you could get android with fdroid or windows with 3rd party installers but do you trust the OS itself?

@alatiera @tbernard fully free and open source android can be trusted, see Replicant.

@tbernard 1000% agree, and found myself saying similar things yesterday!

I tend to find myself opposing PWAs, arguing that off you want to run arbitrary (peer-to-peer/clientside) cross-platform apps you should design a new suite of standards that is actually feasable to reimplement & secure! But I'd rather you use open standards to let me find or develop a nice app specifically for me & my choice of OS.

@tbernard If your target audience is people running a GNOME-based distro, then yeah!
I'm in this tiny niche and I am happy to get beautiful gtk apps. I hadn't realized there was much of crowd building gnu/linux-only apps on top of web views but what do I know.

On the other hand I am pretty sure the majority production software doing this web app thing end up there because they need to deliver it to as many users as they can with limited engineering resources.

@AbbieNormal @tbernard hey, it's the second time I hear you say that phrase; is it some idiomatic expression I don't know? It seems to mean approval?

@bugaevc @tbernard

maybe it's the Mexican wave

It's stronger than an applause !

Like, I'm holding a lighter up in the sky and I'm swinging left and right !!

Like in a concert !

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