I kinda get the complaints (e.g. andregarzia.com/2020/03/privat) about Apple killing PWAs but I don't feel strongly about it, largely because I've stopped caring about the web as an application platform.

We've been trying this web apps thing for over a decade, and a few things should be abundantly clear by now:

- Web apps will always have worse UX than nice native apps. The barrier to entry may be low, but so is the ceiling on what you can build
- The web fundamentally assumes a client-server paradigm no matter what you tack onto it, making it a bad fit if you care about privacy
- Anything we add to browsers can and will be used for adtech/surveillance

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The web is great for static information pages and low-fi UI prototyping, but for everything else just use the native toolkit.

Conclusion: Fuck web apps, native GTK rules. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

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P.S: If you're using an OS where the only way to get native apps is through a megacorp you don't trust, then PWAs are probably not your biggest problem...

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@tbernard Its not even about the app distribution, there doesn't exist a commercial OS that isn't from a megacorp apart from Elementary OS

Like you could get android with fdroid or windows with 3rd party installers but do you trust the OS itself?

@alatiera @tbernard fully free and open source android can be trusted, see Replicant.

@tbernard 1000% agree, and found myself saying similar things yesterday!

I tend to find myself opposing PWAs, arguing that off you want to run arbitrary (peer-to-peer/clientside) cross-platform apps you should design a new suite of standards that is actually feasable to reimplement & secure! But I'd rather you use open standards to let me find or develop a nice app specifically for me & my choice of OS.

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