We simply cannot say this enough:

1. Turn off your location services.
2. Turn off your phone completely when you don’t need it on.

WE are allowing THEM to create a virtual police state. tracking is simply a building block of systemic real-time civilian surveillance.

At the heart of this technology is money, not altruism. These companies are not non-profits. Their profit ≠ your freedom.

cnn.com/2020/04/04/tech/locati

You control your through your choices.

@theprivacyfoundation
You're doing your followers a major disservice by implying that turning location services off will hide your location. I'm only familiar with android and I'm assuming #Google PlayServices is running. Wifi access points and probably cell-tower locations (triangulation) are used as well to track your location.

Turning your phone off does work. Removing the battery is better.

Do you really trust ggl to tell you the truth when it's not showing your location history?

@theprivacyfoundation
A false sense of #privacy is worse then realizing you have no privacy.

A phone without ggl services (LineageOS) may work, if your phone is supported. Mine was, but that stopped a while ago, which means no more security updates (unless you do that yourself).
No ggl services means several (and growing nr of) apps won't work, like banking apps.

A pure Linux (distro/kernel) phone is the only solution I see.
Because #GoogleIsEvil

Follow

@FreePietje a false sense of security is also not our intention.

In fact there are essentially no “perfect” solutions readily available for the majority of the public.

Mitigation is not naive, and all attempts to thwart the varying technologies help.

The only way to truly stay off a location grid is to not use the phone at all. So to reduce impact, provide countermeasures for application tracking. Turning off locations is part of that methodology.

Thank you for your comments!

@theprivacyfoundation
"In fact there are essentially no 'perfect' solutions readily available for the majority of the public."

Indeed. And that is the whole problem.
As I don't believe ggl will change their behavior for the better (as that means abandoning their business model), I strongly believe we (techies) should help/support/build an alternative.
The most logical candidates are (pure) Linux 'distros'.

It'll be a long-term solution, but those should start some time. The sooner the better.

@FreePietje @theprivacyfoundation Google is only one part of the problem. To avoid location tracking you have to avoid the cellular network. So better get a device without cellular modem and support you local community-wifi-network.

@hexmasteen @theprivacyfoundation
You do have a (good) point, but I don't think that can be a viable alternative for the next 20/30 *years* as it means a complete redesign of our (whole) communication infrastructure.

@FreePietje @theprivacyfoundation I play with this option and it's not that unthinkable. I have wifi 95% percent of the time (home amd office) and basically all my communication uses the Internet (mostly Signal, E-Mail).

You need some #offlinefirst apps and it would be great if my cellular provider could forward calls and sms to IP-based systems.

It's not that much harder than telling people they can't use Google anymore.

@hexmasteen Maybe I'm not understanding you correctly, but I got the impression you wanted to abandon all cellular (3/4/5G) connections and replace that with a world-wide mesh network.
Just home and office isn't that much of a problem. A replacement for when people are underway (car/train/etc) or out and about (f.e. walking in nature) is magnitudes more involved.

@FreePietje Yes, gsm/umts/lte can't be fixed so we should try to avoid them.

And yes, that means not beeing connected 24/7 wherever you are. If you need to contact somebody or look something up, the next coffeeshop with wifi is usually around the corner.

@hexmasteen
I don't think that's realistic. What you're describing is similar to what we had before mobile phones, with landlines.

I wish more people would realize that the world doesn't end when you turn your mobile off once in a while. But I still like that to be an option which I and others can choose.

@FreePietje Always online means surveillance with the tech we have. Having a cellular device with you (turned off) for when you really need it would be a compromise. But off by default. #DefaultsMatter

@FreePietje and of course we should also work on a #privacybydesign wireless network with global reach. But until we have that, we can enjoy being off the grid when we take a walk in the woods. ;)

Sign in to participate in the conversation
Mastodon

Server run by the main developers of the project 🐘 It is not focused on any particular niche interest - everyone is welcome as long as you follow our code of conduct!

<svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><symbol id="mastodon-svg-logo" viewBox="0 0 216.4144 232.00976"><path d="M107.86523 0C78.203984.2425 49.672422 3.4535937 33.044922 11.089844c0 0-32.97656262 14.752031-32.97656262 65.082031 0 11.525-.224375 25.306175.140625 39.919925 1.19750002 49.22 9.02375002 97.72843 54.53124962 109.77343 20.9825 5.55375 38.99711 6.71547 53.505856 5.91797 26.31125-1.45875 41.08203-9.38867 41.08203-9.38867l-.86914-19.08984s-18.80171 5.92758-39.91796 5.20508c-20.921254-.7175-43.006879-2.25516-46.390629-27.94141-.3125-2.25625-.46875-4.66938-.46875-7.20313 0 0 20.536953 5.0204 46.564449 6.21289 15.915.73001 30.8393-.93343 45.99805-2.74218 29.07-3.47125 54.38125-21.3818 57.5625-37.74805 5.0125-25.78125 4.59961-62.916015 4.59961-62.916015 0-50.33-32.97461-65.082031-32.97461-65.082031C166.80539 3.4535938 138.255.2425 108.59375 0h-.72852zM74.296875 39.326172c12.355 0 21.710234 4.749297 27.896485 14.248047l6.01367 10.080078 6.01563-10.080078c6.185-9.49875 15.54023-14.248047 27.89648-14.248047 10.6775 0 19.28156 3.753672 25.85156 11.076172 6.36875 7.3225 9.53907 17.218828 9.53907 29.673828v60.941408h-24.14454V81.869141c0-12.46875-5.24453-18.798829-15.73828-18.798829-11.6025 0-17.41797 7.508516-17.41797 22.353516v32.375002H96.207031V85.423828c0-14.845-5.815468-22.353515-17.417969-22.353516-10.49375 0-15.740234 6.330079-15.740234 18.798829v59.148439H38.904297V80.076172c0-12.455 3.171016-22.351328 9.541015-29.673828 6.568751-7.3225 15.172813-11.076172 25.851563-11.076172z" /></symbol></svg> <svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><symbol id="mastodon-svg-logo-full" viewBox="0 0 713.35878 175.8678"><path d="M160.55476 105.43125c-2.4125 12.40625-21.5975 25.9825-43.63375 28.61375-11.49125 1.3725-22.80375 2.63125-34.8675 2.07875-19.73-.90375-35.2975-4.71-35.2975-4.71 0 1.92125.11875 3.75.355 5.46 2.565 19.47 19.3075 20.6375 35.16625 21.18125 16.00625.5475 30.2575-3.9475 30.2575-3.9475l.65875 14.4725s-11.19625 6.01125-31.14 7.11625c-10.99875.605-24.65375-.27625-40.56-4.485C6.99851 162.08 1.06601 125.31.15851 88-.11899 76.9225.05226 66.47625.05226 57.74125c0-38.1525 24.99625-49.335 24.99625-49.335C37.65226 2.6175 59.27976.18375 81.76351 0h.5525c22.48375.18375 44.125 2.6175 56.72875 8.40625 0 0 24.99625 11.1825 24.99625 49.335 0 0 .3125 28.1475-3.48625 47.69" fill="#3088d4"/><path d="M34.65751 48.494c0-5.55375 4.5025-10.055 10.055-10.055 5.55375 0 10.055 4.50125 10.055 10.055 0 5.5525-4.50125 10.055-10.055 10.055-5.5525 0-10.055-4.5025-10.055-10.055M178.86476 60.69975v46.195h-18.30125v-44.8375c0-9.4525-3.9775-14.24875-11.9325-14.24875-8.79375 0-13.2025 5.69125-13.2025 16.94375V89.2935h-18.19375V64.75225c0-11.2525-4.40875-16.94375-13.2025-16.94375-7.955 0-11.9325 4.79625-11.9325 14.24875v44.8375H73.79851v-46.195c0-9.44125 2.40375-16.94375 7.2325-22.495 4.98-5.55 11.50125-8.395 19.595-8.395 9.36625 0 16.45875 3.59875 21.14625 10.79875l4.56 7.6425 4.55875-7.6425c4.68875-7.2 11.78-10.79875 21.1475-10.79875 8.09375 0 14.61375 2.845 19.59375 8.395 4.82875 5.55125 7.2325 13.05375 7.2325 22.495M241.91276 83.663625c3.77625-3.99 5.595-9.015 5.595-15.075 0-6.06-1.81875-11.085-5.595-14.9275-3.63625-3.99125-8.25375-5.91125-13.84875-5.91125-5.59625 0-10.2125 1.92-13.84875 5.91125-3.6375 3.8425-5.45625 8.8675-5.45625 14.9275 0 6.06 1.81875 11.085 5.45625 15.075 3.63625 3.8425 8.2525 5.76375 13.84875 5.76375 5.595 0 10.2125-1.92125 13.84875-5.76375m5.595-52.025h18.04625v73.9h-18.04625v-8.72125c-5.455 7.2425-13.01 10.79-22.80125 10.79-9.3725 0-17.34625-3.695-24.06125-11.23375-6.57375-7.5375-9.93125-16.84875-9.93125-27.785 0-10.78875 3.3575-20.10125 9.93125-27.63875 6.715-7.5375 14.68875-11.38 24.06125-11.38 9.79125 0 17.34625 3.5475 22.80125 10.78875v-8.72zM326.26951 67.258625c5.315 3.99 7.97375 9.60625 7.83375 16.7 0 7.53875-2.65875 13.45-8.11375 17.58875-5.45625 3.99125-12.03 6.06-20.00375 6.06-14.40875 0-24.20125-5.9125-29.3775-17.58875l15.66875-9.31c2.0975 6.35375 6.71375 9.60625 13.70875 9.60625 6.43375 0 9.6525-2.07 9.6525-6.35625 0-3.10375-4.1975-5.91125-12.73-8.1275-3.21875-.8875-5.87625-1.77375-7.97375-2.51375-2.9375-1.18125-5.455-2.5125-7.55375-4.1375-5.17625-3.99-7.83375-9.3125-7.83375-16.11 0-7.2425 2.5175-13.00625 7.55375-17.145 5.17625-4.28625 11.47-6.355 19.025-6.355 12.03 0 20.84375 5.1725 26.5775 15.66625l-15.38625 8.8675c-2.23875-5.02375-6.015-7.53625-11.19125-7.53625-5.45625 0-8.11375 2.06875-8.11375 6.05875 0 3.10375 4.19625 5.91125 12.73 8.12875 6.575 1.4775 11.75 3.695 15.5275 6.50375M383.626635 49.966125h-15.8075v30.7425c0 3.695 1.4 5.91125 4.0575 6.945 1.95875.74 5.875.8875 11.75.59125v17.29375c-12.16875 1.4775-20.9825.295-26.15875-3.69625-5.175-3.8425-7.69375-10.93625-7.69375-21.13375v-30.7425h-12.17v-18.3275h12.17v-14.9275l18.045-5.76375v20.69125h15.8075v18.3275zM441.124885 83.2205c3.6375-3.84375 5.455-8.72125 5.455-14.6325 0-5.91125-1.8175-10.78875-5.455-14.63125-3.6375-3.84375-8.11375-5.76375-13.57-5.76375-5.455 0-9.93125 1.92-13.56875 5.76375-3.4975 3.99-5.31625 8.8675-5.31625 14.63125 0 5.765 1.81875 10.6425 5.31625 14.6325 3.6375 3.8425 8.11375 5.76375 13.56875 5.76375 5.45625 0 9.9325-1.92125 13.57-5.76375m-39.86875 13.15375c-7.13375-7.5375-10.63125-16.70125-10.63125-27.78625 0-10.9375 3.4975-20.1 10.63125-27.6375 7.13375-7.5375 15.9475-11.38 26.29875-11.38 10.3525 0 19.165 3.8425 26.3 11.38 7.135 7.5375 10.77125 16.84875 10.77125 27.6375 0 10.9375-3.63625 20.24875-10.77125 27.78625-7.135 7.53875-15.8075 11.2325-26.3 11.2325-10.49125 0-19.165-3.69375-26.29875-11.2325M524.92126 83.663625c3.6375-3.99 5.455-9.015 5.455-15.075 0-6.06-1.8175-11.085-5.455-14.9275-3.63625-3.99125-8.25375-5.91125-13.84875-5.91125-5.59625 0-10.2125 1.92-13.98875 5.91125-3.63625 3.8425-5.45625 8.8675-5.45625 14.9275 0 6.06 1.82 11.085 5.45625 15.075 3.77625 3.8425 8.5325 5.76375 13.98875 5.76375 5.595 0 10.2125-1.92125 13.84875-5.76375m5.455-81.585h18.04625v103.46h-18.04625v-8.72125c-5.315 7.2425-12.87 10.79-22.66125 10.79-9.3725 0-17.485-3.695-24.2-11.23375-6.575-7.5375-9.9325-16.84875-9.9325-27.785 0-10.78875 3.3575-20.10125 9.9325-27.63875 6.715-7.5375 14.8275-11.38 24.2-11.38 9.79125 0 17.34625 3.5475 22.66125 10.78875v-38.28zM611.79626 83.2205c3.63625-3.84375 5.455-8.72125 5.455-14.6325 0-5.91125-1.81875-10.78875-5.455-14.63125-3.6375-3.84375-8.11375-5.76375-13.57-5.76375-5.455 0-9.9325 1.92-13.56875 5.76375-3.49875 3.99-5.31625 8.8675-5.31625 14.63125 0 5.765 1.8175 10.6425 5.31625 14.6325 3.63625 3.8425 8.11375 5.76375 13.56875 5.76375 5.45625 0 9.9325-1.92125 13.57-5.76375m-39.86875 13.15375c-7.135-7.5375-10.63125-16.70125-10.63125-27.78625 0-10.9375 3.49625-20.1 10.63125-27.6375 7.135-7.5375 15.9475-11.38 26.29875-11.38 10.3525 0 19.165 3.8425 26.3 11.38 7.135 7.5375 10.77125 16.84875 10.77125 27.6375 0 10.9375-3.63625 20.24875-10.77125 27.78625-7.135 7.53875-15.8075 11.2325-26.3 11.2325-10.49125 0-19.16375-3.69375-26.29875-11.2325M713.35876 60.163875v45.37375h-18.04625v-43.00875c0-4.8775-1.25875-8.5725-3.77625-11.38-2.37875-2.5125-5.73625-3.84375-10.0725-3.84375-10.2125 0-15.3875 6.06-15.3875 18.3275v39.905h-18.04625v-73.89875h18.04625v8.27625c4.33625-6.94625 11.19-10.345 20.84375-10.345 7.69375 0 13.98875 2.66 18.885 8.12875 5.035 5.46875 7.55375 12.85875 7.55375 22.465"/></symbol></svg>