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@Gargron Garbage fire. I’m hoping for a non-profit doing something like Patreon does. :/

@thomasfuchs @Gargron there is always Liberapay. They fixed the payment processing, but they do pay out at strange intervals.

@bobstechsite @thomasfuchs Liberapay can't make the jump to being a money transmitter, which prevents it from being a true Patreon replacement, especially for non-tech creators

@Gargron To be clear, Patreon isn't a licensed money transmitter anymore than we are. They probably use the same exception in US law that Gratipay used to argue that they're not required to get a license.

P.S. One of the reasons why Liberapay isn't a "true Patreon replacement" is simply that it's not our mission to be one.

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@Liberapay @Gargron @bobstechsite @thomasfuchs The actual wording in their Terms of Use is this: "In connection with your charges to patrons, you appoint us as your limited agent for the sole purpose of receiving, holding, and settling payments to you. As your agent, our receipt of funds from a patron on your behalf is the same as receipt of funds by you directly [..]"

@kornel We're aware that Patreon collects VAT from EU patrons. It's required to by EU law. That doesn't change the fact that if Patreon was based in the EU it would have to get licensed as a payment service provider in order to be able to operate the way it currently does in the US.

@bobstechsite We don't really "pay out" anymore, since we no longer hold any funds. You receive money when your donors send it, and if you use Stripe it sends the funds to your bank account according to the payout schedule configured in dashboard.stripe.com/account/p @thomasfuchs @Gargron

@Liberapay @thomasfuchs @Gargron thank you for that info. I've just connected Stripe to my LP account (previously was just PayPal) 🙂

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Doesn't necessarily need to be non-profit. A multi-stakeholder cooperative would work well (the stakeholders being creators, customers and employees).

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