I don't really like Signal. I don't like Telegram either. Wire is acceptable, but also clunky. It kinda sucks that people have to basically choose and commit to one app with all of their contacts now, if IM apps were federated like e-mail and Mastodon you could just keep talking to your friends from wherever.

@Gargron i hope something based on element can be this. perhaps something on your phone that forwards any sms messages into it?


@adfeno @Gargron -android and are .0

is your argument that there's only one true free-software license, and that it the hallowed ?

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@adfeno @Gargron because if it is - the recommends as the go-to permissive license

@tomasekeli @adfeno @Gargron As you say, apache2 is permissive, not free software. Free software means copyleft license. Permissive license only means open source. That's what the other guy is talking about.

@TheDavidDelta @tomasekeli @adfeno @Gargron as I understand it, most permissive licences would allow anybody to re-release a project under GPL. If that's true, then it doesnt really matter in practice; we can't lose anything. For a project trying to get off the ground, giving companies the OPTION of using the code without any real conditions is probably good.


this is a common misunderstanding

permissive (also called non-reciprocal) licenses are widely accepted as free

see, for instance, gnu.org/licenses/license-list.

@tomasekeli @adfeno

@deejoe @TheDavidDelta @tomasekeli @adfeno but it's not as free, cause forks can be made proprietary. Copyleft is always better, imo...

@ailurocrat @deejoe @TheDavidDelta @adfeno makes total sense. you can do something with the code that you cannot do with copyleft code - so it is more free.

that the result of that is not free is sad, but not a quality of the original code.

@TheDavidDelta @tomasekeli @Gargron in the context of criteria for inclusion in the directory, any free license, either permissive/lax or copyleft (strong or weak) is acceptable. That said, your comment is half true.

@tomasekeli @Gargron I never said that “the only free license is #GPL”. See the #FSD's participation guide and review/submission guidelines (both linked from the start/home page) to see what is considered in the reviews.

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