Tor Browser protects against tracking, surveillance, and censorship, and we think everyone should be able to use it and enjoy the universal human rights to privacy and freedom online.

We’re in a race with censors.

They're getting more sophisticated, and so must we.

@torproject we need Tor integrated into major web browsers, like Firefox and Chromium/Chrome. That's the only way to get it in the hands of regular users.

@rysiek @torproject How much does WebExtensions allow devs to proxy browser data?

@espectalll there are Tor extensions. Tor extensions are not the solution, since they *require user action* to get installed.

Tor needs to be integrated directly into web browsers, without any extensions or additional actions needed.

@rysiek That's... definitely not a good solution, though. In particular because of network/power usage. I wonder what would happen with speed if there's more traffic – if everyone was an exit node sure, but I don't know how well will Tor scale.

@espectalll there is an idea to enable Tor only in Private/Incognito mode. That makes a lot of sense, I feel.

@rysiek my forecast of what would happen, in one line of a hypothetical user in what I consider to be the most plausible future

"Firefox's incognito is so slow and watching porn is hell, I'm back to Chrome!"

@rysiek you would need, thus, consensus among all the major browser vendors, as well as making sure the network scales to meet the new demand. It could work, but you still have to get everyone to agree.

@espectalll or you could make it into a feature. Tor is not that slow anymore and privacy protection with Tor is way better than anything a bare incognito mode can provide.

@rysiek It can be promoted as such, but it has to be fast enough. Keep in mind there are currently about ~2 million directly connecting Tor users, whereas there are BILLIONS of people using browsers with incognito modes. And there WILL be people using it for the main/sole purpose of intensive activities like content streaming, just like they use it right now.

@espectalll and the new Tor Onion Services are seriously blazing fast, allowing for video streaming.

So yeah.

@rysiek @torproject The main problem would be that adding a tor option to mainstream browsers would go against their business models.

@bob @torproject that's why Mozilla would be so important here. Implement it, and then use it as competitive advantage, forcing others to implement it.

Also, Edge does not have a business model... at all.

@rysiek @bob @torproject Regarding browser business models - even an anonymized search (what Mozilla gets referral $$ for) still has value to the search provider.

They still get to show you well targetted ads based on the keywords you search for. They don't need your IP and identity. That's an optimization.

The search tie-in and the clicks may not be worth as much, but they'll still get paid something.

If it becomes a competitive advantage that brings people back from other browsers...

@rysiek @bob @torproject In the short term, the more obvious problem is that Mozilla is hoping to monetize privacy concerns by selling ProtonVPN.

If that experiment goes well, then Tor becomes a much harder sell.

Of course, if it goes well then they become less dependent on Google etc and consumers start putting money directly into privacy tech.

So not all bad, but sucks for the Tor idea.

@rysiek @torproject Brave now has Incognito Tor mode out of the box on desktop builds. I've already switched from Chrome & Chromium to it (though I still mostly use Firefox.)

@rysiek @waddlesplash @torproject Mozilla and Tor are working on that. It's called Project Fusion (Firefox Using Onion).

@veryonline @waddlesplash @rysiek @torproject Maybe. But they do sell ad space to make money. And show those instead of the ads they block on the sites you visit. No, thanks.

@waddlesplash @rysiek @torproject How does that square with the "cryptocurrency to fund this project" part of the project?

@drwho @rysiek @torproject no, I know about BAT, I'm asking how you see this as a conflict of interest

@waddlesplash @rysiek @torproject Traffic analysis on blockchains is a deanonymization strategy. This seems problematic in light of their privacy stance.

@waddlesplash @rysiek @torproject I use brave on almost everything now. I see arch repo still has the electron version though

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