Right now the fediverse is nipping at the heels of the silos.

They know we are here, and they perceive us as a threat. We know this from leaked emails from facebook.

That said, they could attack us in an oblique manner with any number of poisoned waterhole attacks.

Earlier today someone predicted one or more of those platforms just integrate activitypub and crush us by incorporating us.

Another pointed at the potential for procedurally generated instances that just harvest data, or overwhelm our ability to suspend all of the instances they throw up.

When these attacks are adapted to... they'll get concerned, and will try to frame us as part of "the dark web(tm)"...

That's how we'll know we're winning.

@TheGibson

I'm interested in brainstorming immune system defenses

beyond our strength as actually real people who can tell the difference between fake and person, usually pretty obvious

@Food

I am interested in this as well.

I feel like some sort of new instance registry may be necessary if we see these sorts of co-opting efforts occurring...

Like a low speed probationary period or something...

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@thegibson @Food The other thing to look out for are large quantities of instances on related IP blocks. Major corporations often pay for large IP address spaces, in part to work around spam blacklists.

@vertigo

@TheGibson

I'm looking for a solution about how GitHub's parent company is now Microsoft

Something we can use as #foss and such that has nothing to do with that recent company grab

@Food @vertigo @thegibson well there's gitlab. It has a self-hosted option.

Github is unfortunately so entrenched because of the discoverability it offers its users.

@waterbear @Food @thegibson It's one of the reasons why my projects are managed and even hosted using .

It's definitely not for everyone though.

@agris @waterbear @Food @thegibson I'm not familiar with using email based workflows with raw git. Is there an online workflow description that works through how it's done? Thanks!

@remotenemesis @vertigo @agris @waterbear @Food

Gitea is fine... I just don't see as many dev's moving to it as gitlab.

@gentoorebel @thegibson @vertigo @agris @waterbear @Food

I agree. If one just wants to give a company money to make a problem go away (valid), why even switch from github to gitlab?

If one cares about FOSS, maybe its time to take a stand.

@remotenemesis @vertigo @agris @waterbear @Food

Explain.. I am not aware of why... I thought it was not centralized.

@thegibson @vertigo @agris @waterbear @Food

Google is an investor.

Not again.

gitea is supported by @cloud, although I haven't tried their containerized install yet.

I got mine and hope to share soon.

gitea.luckybytepalace.net

@thegibson @vertigo @agris @waterbear @Food

You have a good point tho, the exodus has been to gitlab, but I struggle to see how it is any different/better.

@agris @thegibson @remotenemesis @waterbear @Food I somewhat embarrassed to admit that I find that I need the hand-holding until I'm ready to move beyond it, especially as I age.

For corporate applications (which, arguably, most projects on Github are), its interaction model is nearly ideal. It mimics closely enough the centralized VCS organization that it's easy for companies to adopt, but has just enough DVCS features that enables collaboration. I suspect that is why it took off so well.

@remotenemesis @agris @thegibson @waterbear @Food Thank you; that's a more succinct and poignant way of putting into words what I wanted to express.

@vertigo @agris @thegibson @waterbear @Food

I actually feel like PRs are overused on small teams, when high-trust should be the default.

@vertigo @agris @thegibson @waterbear @Food

also well worth considering that github URL's are baked into most of the third-party ecosystem for golang.

We've all become rather too comfortable with pulling arbitrary code from the internet into our compile chain.

@vertigo

@TheGibson

How about this

Developers need to get paid enough for food, water, shelter, healthcare, so they can live their ethics and values, avoiding being compromised

Moderators who also need to get paid a bit or donated to can have an allotment of individual accounts number they're ideally responsible for personally verifying person as person and making sure they have the basics of security and data storage in check

@vertigo @TheGibson

Backups of data have to be places that are redundant, and owners hosting instances need to make sure they're on top of the management of the small bits of security that add up. Also would be good to pay them

@hugo setup comes to mind

@vertigo @TheGibson @hugo

Creating and refreshing an open redundant list of the fediverse and all attached instances and users and how many each instance has in overlap can help us identify weak links and see if there's any vulnerabilities in the awareness linkup

Sorta like finding broken packages, only we'd have a list of traits of nonreal cues to watch for and when finding a part, removing it somehow probably by alerting surrounding mods

@vertigo @TheGibson @hugo

Thinking of vulnerabilities of servers hosted on proprietary or at least insecure hosts, how to encourage hostings on places that are guaranteed to be as close to values and ethics in running server as possible

And having identified list of those server instance spots

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