re: APRS and the Internet 

@gled @vertigo @drwho This is where segregating content can come in really handy. There's a huge amount of Internet traffic that is both non-commercial and doesn't require encryption, though the prohibitions on swearing also pose a problem. That might be something one could gain traction on legally though if one was sending content that was clearly in the public interest, like say Wikipedia.

re: APRS and the Internet 

@freakazoid
That means I can't post more than half of my micro-blog content via ham frequencies. LOL!! I better clean up my act!
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re: APRS and the Internet 

@vertigo @gled @drwho I think it would be really neat to have an instance that one could post to via AX.25, whether it's posting via APRS or posting and reading (other accounts on the same instance, not general subscriptions) via AX.25 connection with a BBS-like interface.

re: APRS and the Internet 

@freakazoid
I'd be down for that as well. Also, for those who enjoy the anachronisms, making a block-mode terminal interface to run over AX.25 to support full-screen interfaces without incurring a ton of per-line overhead would be pretty neat too. Like a more modern variant of 3270 green-screen interfaces. Maybe something based on PLATO?
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re: APRS and the Internet 

@vertigo @gled @drwho I suspect you'd get better bang for your buck using zstd with a pre-trained dictionary against a subset of HTML, which you can then run over your MPLS-like network. In fact, I'm fairly confident I could build such a thing in an (uninterrupted) afternoon.

re: APRS and the Internet 

@freakazoid @drwho @gled@soteria.mastodon.host Now you need an HTML rendering engine on the receiving client. No thanks; not interested in implementing that level of complexity. ;) I'd rather the terminal communicate its dimensions, and then just copy blobs of characters around as dumb as possible.

Unless you're referring specifically to the PLATO question?

re: APRS and the Internet 

@vertigo @gled @drwho I only meant instead of coming up with a specification of a new block-mode terminal. VT-100 or some other simple terminal is always acceptable.

But I did say an HTML *subset*. Something easily rendered in text mode. Yes you need an HTML renderer, but it can be a simple, mature one. Though (a subset of) SVG would be super useful for graphics.

Otherwise you're writing a brand new renderer that's likely to go through a lot of bugs before stabilizing.

re: APRS and the Internet 

@freakazoid
The problem with VT100 is every character you type is relayed back to the peer, which will make inefficient use of slower links. Basically, you'd need a link that can support at least 100 1-octet packets every second to keep up. Figure, 25 bytes per frame, so 20kbps minimum channel data rate.

With a block mode terminal, all of your edits are sent back as a single batch.
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re: APRS and the Internet 

@freakazoid @drwho @gled@soteria.mastodon.host
Otherwise, yes, just tunnel Telnet and you're done. :)

I suppose you can go line-oriented as well; but, like 3270s, some keys will force the current line edits back. Still block-mode, but on smaller units.

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re: APRS and the Internet 

@freakazoid @drwho @gled@soteria.mastodon.host
Note that non-KISS TNCs operate in a degenerate line-oriented mode. So, these alternative modes will need KISS support of some kind.

re: APRS and the Internet 

@vertigo @gled @drwho Yeah an advantage of line-oriented interfaces is that they work with non-KISS TNCs. Telnet works in line mode as well, so one could easily make a Telnet-to-AX.25 proxy, though if you're in the middle anyway you can always present a screen-oriented interface with history and decent editing and then use line mode on the backend. Which is exactly how many people used MUD clients. Telnet or SSH into a shell account and run tf to connect to the MUD.

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