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Pelle Wessman

Anyone knows what, if anything, that’s holding back the Web Share Target API from Safari and Firefox? developer.mozilla.org/en-US/do

I would love to be able to install a bookmark manager as a PWA and easily share to it.

Right now I would need to do quite some juggling with Apple Shortcuts to get a similar functionality

Maybe one of @jensimmons, @tomayac, @paul knows?

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MDN Web Docsshare_target - Web app manifests | MDNThe share_target manifest member allows installed Progressive Web Apps (PWAs) to be registered as a share target in the system's share dialog.

@voxpelli @jensimmons @tomayac @paul I expect it's mainly just priorities.. It's still work to make it standard, integrate specs, etc. and WebKit is "neutral" on it, for example webkit.org/standards-positions .. there's just way more stuff than there is people and funding all around

WebKit · Standards Positions

@bkardell @voxpelli @jensimmons @tomayac @paul Worth remembering that Safari generates tens of billions of dollars every year so choosing not to spend much of that money keeping Safari up to date and competitive is about business priorities, not lack of funding or the inability to hire good people.

@callionica Please, let’s be constructive rather than casting shade on anyone.

It’s easy to tell others what to do, it’s more constructive to see what you yourself can do.

@voxpelli I'm not sure why you would see this as shade or who you think the shade is being cast upon?

@callionica You’re pretty clearly saying that it’s Apple’s fault that things are the way it is. Not constructive.

@voxpelli You asked "why isn't this feature implemented?". You got a response with speculation that it's because it was lower priority than other features and there isn't enough money/staff to deal with all features, which is self-evidently true when you consider the universe of all possible features, but also defeatist. I pointed out that if money/staff is lacking in Apple's case, there is money available to correct that so that you would know which part of the organization to lobby.

@voxpelli I'm not blaming anyone here. It's just the way things are. If you prefer to only deal with technical considerations and ignore business ones, that's of course your choice. But if your goal is to understand why a decision is made or to effect change, it's worth considering the bigger picture. It's a shame that you don't find that constructive.

@callionica @voxpelli @jensimmons @tomayac @paul

My statement is true of all engines/browsers and standards in general. Everything ultimately has to be prioritized. Ultimately every team has budgets and limits, and none of them can prioritize everything.

@bkardell @voxpelli @jensimmons @tomayac @paul You're absolutely correct. Everything has to be prioritized. I'm merely pointing out that different kinds of prioritization occur at different levels of an organization, and that different organizations may prioritize differently due to their own unique circumstances. If we ignore the business dynamics, we may have trouble understanding a team's priorities.

@callionica And you speculate on how one company invests compared to others without any actual facts to show it is my guess?

And how about other companies?

Microsoft even ditched their own browser engine.

How’s the investment from Meta and Amazon into browsers going?

As said: Not constructive, rather FUD

@voxpelli I'm limited by my instance to 500 characters. The money that both Apple and Firefox make from their browsers is public knowledge. I use Apple browsers. I don't use Firefox. Hopefully that helps provide some context for my comments.

@callionica One can talk about business incentives at a general level without singling out any actor in particular

Also, Brian has business insights to credibly speculate on a general level to a degree that most others can’t, since Igalia is often hired to do work on browsers

@voxpelli I think we're not connecting. It sounds like you'd like me to talk in generalities which doesn't seem useful to me. You've taken an uncharitable view of my contribution, which makes me feel bad, so I hope you take a moment to reread this thread and think about whether you can reasonably expect someone to put their entire thoughts about a complex subject in a single, character-limited post. I'm not sure we're going to make much progress, so I'll sign off this thread. All the best.