the destruction of for-profit publishing and, frankly, any antagonism of capitalist ambition toward academic scholarship is essential to our collective future and I hope we continue to cultivate interdisciplinary solidarity around this moving forward
@wilkie Is it really? I've read numerous articles from numerous writers who say that they would not be able to do what they do without the support system a for profit publishing house provides them - editors, project managers, marketing, the list goes on. How would we replace all of that in a post capitalism future? (Serious question)
@feoh the academic publishing space is very different from the overall publishing industry, which has a very market-driven process that purchases books from agents. academic publishers do not provide editing or marketing, they just distribute material funded typically by the public and charge ridiculous prices because of a captive economy where institutions must pay in order to continue to read and then cite others' work in their own papers (which are used for job promotion and further funding)
@wilkie Oh quite right! We should all support the "open source science" and "open source academic publishing movements" to the best of our ability! They make for stronger disciplines and have the added benefit of advancing the greater good. Unless you're an academic magazine, there is literally *zero* downside!
@VictorVenema I personally don't see anything in this manifesto as providing a "power-shift" since I don't think we are beholden to publishers for peer-review. they already perfectly accept volunteer effort in the curation of content. there is certainly a component, nonetheless, that is important to consider with respect to a post-capital academic world and how we score/value scholarly work, so it does have a place in the discourse alongside "how do we market/disseminate".
@wilkie We do the review work as scientists & we could do this without the journals, in that sense we are not beholden.
But they own the brand (and its perceived quality), they are the interface. Like owners make money of their workers. Doing work yourself normally does not make your rich. The publishers currently hold the levers of power because they determine what good science is, they decide on careers.
When scientists determine what good work is, publishers lose their power.
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