@yogthos I see this more as “the more money you make, the more time you have to invest in enhancing the lives of your children instead of just struggling to keep them fed and entertained until everyone can fall asleep and start the whole miserable grind over again”

If it weren't consumer IT, but say drugs or guns, nobody would be surprised.

@yogthos Sometimes my nose is congested when I read paper-based books, especially newspapers.

@yogthos Yet early access to computers allowed these parents to develop the skills at an early age that later led to them founding the companies that made them famous (most were already wealthy from birth)...

@yogthos I agree that corporate social media is more exploitive, psychologically, than its predecessors. Yet there were other scapegoats in the past, from MTV when it first emerged (oldsters flipped their lids over it for a long time), to television itself, to radio before that, etc. Even novels were seen as cultural degradation by some when they first emerged! I think a large part of this is many folks don’t trust things invented after they reached a certain life stage.

@Horst @yogthos There's a GIANT difference between "letting the kids do some programming" and "let the kids do some Brand Interaction on X"...

@meejah @yogthos That’s absolutely right! Access to computers and the internet is not the problem, it’s only when provided without the understanding of media manipulation tactics that kids are defenseless. Nevertheless, kids today are being inoculated against it far more than prior generations (it’s the oldest in society who cannot recognize the propaganda coming from Fox Media and its allies, for example).

@Horst @yogthos Right, "media awareness" is definitely part of it.

I was trying to get at the difference between "consuming Content(tm)" (e.g. watching videos, etc) and interactively building things with the computer (e.g.programming, drawing, etc etc). Obviously, lots of grey areas in-between that are both kinds of interaction...

@meejah @yogthos Consuming vs producing. Passive vs active. That is exactly what the distinction is!

@yogthos when people argue that you have to let kids use proprietary tech so they don't feel left out.....

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@yogthos Tech Billionaire Parenting: Melinda Gates' children don't have smartphones and only use a computer in the kitchen. Her husband Bill spends hours in his office reading books while everyone else is refreshing their homepage. The most sought-after private school in Silicon Valley, the Waldorf School of the Peninsula, bans electronic devices for the under-11s and teaches the children of eBay, Uber, and Google staff to make go-karts, knit, and cook. (1/2)

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@yogthos Mark Zuckerburg wants his daughters to read Dr. Seuss and play outside rather than use Messenger Kids. Steve Jobs strictly limited his children's use of technology at home. It's astonishing if you think about it: the more money you make out of the tech industry, the more you appear to shield your family from its effects.

- Alice Thomson in The Times

@yogthos @reinderdijkhuis  I don't know if that is just a lie or an acknowledgement of the evil they know they're doing to the world.

@auroch @yogthos I've seen the claim that the oligarchs are doing this from multiple sources by now.

@auroch @yogthos Though the letter-writer probably got it from the rumour mill and not from a reputable source.

Mild drug reference?, Mini rant about "technology=bad" 

@yogthos The one problem I have with this is the implication that technology is synonymous with addictive, capitalistic, dopamine traps. It's a tool that opens up possibilities that other tools can't offer. It's like saying that compressed air is only used to get high.

I know that's not the point of this little piece, and this piece makes a lot of really *excellent* points, but it's tiring to see "technology bad" so often.

@yogthos and guess what, the school "Waldorf School of the Peninsula" has a ... facebook page, an instagram account 😂
cc @IzzyOnDroid

@yogthos I am skeptical about a total ban. As it was pointed out, those people had access to computer while the environment was different.

Imho the problem lies where things are meant to be addictive. It migh be even email, though not intentionally, and of course social media, intentionally. Games, often, too.

I/we keep it as with other addictive substances (e.g. sugar): no access until a certain age, then only controlled. With the controlling softening up over a while. Seems to work so far.

@yogthos Yes, exactly. The interesting times will come when (if!) their friends are already sucked in. Then, forbidding it could make things worse in the long run.

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