@yogthos it's almost like they know something we don't know /s

@yogthos I see this more as “the more money you make, the more time you have to invest in enhancing the lives of your children instead of just struggling to keep them fed and entertained until everyone can fall asleep and start the whole miserable grind over again”

If it weren't consumer IT, but say drugs or guns, nobody would be surprised.

@veer66 don't know, I've resisted those for a while, but eventually got one and they are pretty damn convenient

@yogthos Sometimes my nose is congested when I read paper-based books, especially newspapers.

@yogthos a superficial ascetism has long been one of the privileges of extreme wealth. amass enough money and power and you, too, can live the simple life.


@yogthos Yet early access to computers allowed these parents to develop the skills at an early age that later led to them founding the companies that made them famous (most were already wealthy from birth)...

@Horst it's worth noting that the environment they grew up in was pretty different, sites like Twitter and Facebook didn't even exist back then.

The problem they recognize is that social media is really addictive, and they don't want their kids to become dependent on it.

I imagine they still teach their kids computer literacy though.

@yogthos I agree that corporate social media is more exploitive, psychologically, than its predecessors. Yet there were other scapegoats in the past, from MTV when it first emerged (oldsters flipped their lids over it for a long time), to television itself, to radio before that, etc. Even novels were seen as cultural degradation by some when they first emerged! I think a large part of this is many folks don’t trust things invented after they reached a certain life stage.

@Horst @yogthos There's a GIANT difference between "letting the kids do some programming" and "let the kids do some Brand Interaction on X"...

@meejah @yogthos That’s absolutely right! Access to computers and the internet is not the problem, it’s only when provided without the understanding of media manipulation tactics that kids are defenseless. Nevertheless, kids today are being inoculated against it far more than prior generations (it’s the oldest in society who cannot recognize the propaganda coming from Fox Media and its allies, for example).

@Horst @yogthos Right, "media awareness" is definitely part of it.

I was trying to get at the difference between "consuming Content(tm)" (e.g. watching videos, etc) and interactively building things with the computer (e.g.programming, drawing, etc etc). Obviously, lots of grey areas in-between that are both kinds of interaction...

@meejah @yogthos Consuming vs producing. Passive vs active. That is exactly what the distinction is!

@meejah @Horst @yogthos yup, keep in mind that the OP doesn't mention the kids watching TV (mostly brand interaction since Reagan), but it does mention being allowed to use a computer in the kitchen, where they can tinker (experiment with programming etc), with parental supervision (and ideally involvement). Letting kids use the net unsupervised is like letting them go to a strip club. It's more dangerous than letting them ride the subway (which is relatively safe in most places).

@yogthos when people argue that you have to let kids use proprietary tech so they don't feel left out.....

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@yogthos @reinderdijkhuis  I don't know if that is just a lie or an acknowledgement of the evil they know they're doing to the world.

@auroch @yogthos I've seen the claim that the oligarchs are doing this from multiple sources by now.

@auroch @yogthos Though the letter-writer probably got it from the rumour mill and not from a reputable source.

@Reinderdijkhuis @auroch it yeah not sure what the source for this was, but I recall watching an interview with Gates where he said something along the lines regarding how they raise their kids.

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@yogthos and guess what, the school "Waldorf School of the Peninsula" has a ... facebook page, an instagram account 😂
cc @IzzyOnDroid

@yogthos I am skeptical about a total ban. As it was pointed out, those people had access to computer while the environment was different.

Imho the problem lies where things are meant to be addictive. It migh be even email, though not intentionally, and of course social media, intentionally. Games, often, too.

I/we keep it as with other addictive substances (e.g. sugar): no access until a certain age, then only controlled. With the controlling softening up over a while. Seems to work so far.

@blizzz I think specifically the issue with corporate social media platforms that are designed to monetize the users

@yogthos Yes, exactly. The interesting times will come when (if!) their friends are already sucked in. Then, forbidding it could make things worse in the long run.

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