I'm dying 😂
@yogthos that's just bad code.
I used to be super annoyed not having lisp-like macros, but the obsession with s-expressions escapes me.
... It's gunna be a tree regardless how you write it. Might aswel use whitespace(like Python) and infix notation, it's perfectly understandable and looks better...
I also do not understand people wanting static typing by the way. It only stops really shallow bugs as far as i can see.
@yogthos @jasper Big fan of Forth here, but I definitely want to get more involved with Lisp eventually as well. Common Lisp in particular, mainly because it is the common benchmark against which other languages are referenced against. I did play around with Shen Lisp for some time, and really enjoyed the experience.
@ckeen Doing ok. I spent a while being offline, starting to get back into things now.
(I also have a partial cleanup of it on Github; lemme know if you want a link.)
FWIW, in the 25-ish years I’ve dabbled with it, I’ve never managed to get it to do anything useful or interesting. If you want to learn about Smalltalk, Squeak is a much better introduction.
@ckeen @jasper @yogthos Scheme is nice, but feels very incomplete to me -- the kind of language you'd write as a scripting tool. With Forth, the expectation is for you to write everything you need yourself, but Scheme seems to deter that way of thinking, and so feels at-odds with its own minimalism.
That said, given a Scheme and support for non-hygienic macros (because I just can't understand wtf hygienic macros are actually *doing*), I'd probably be quite happy.
I'm taking the Chuck Moore interpretation, where Chuck discourages libraries, opting instead for the programmer to write their own primitives.
Scheme systems all have a packaging standard at the very least, which encourages exactly the opposite philosophy.
My take is that Scheme encourages you to build and combine novel languages to solve a problem. When used that way, it's a lot like Factor.
It's packaging system is primarily an affordance for it's use as a teaching medium. It bears little resemblance in most expressions to, say, Maven or NPM. It's there to help students get an environment to do homework in.
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