I find it fascinating to see developers argue against socialism while their whole careers are built on open source.

This is precisely what socialism looks like. All the core technology is democratized, and it's available to everyone. It doesn't matter if you're Google or a lone dev in a basement, you have access to the same tools.

Some of us are old enough to remember what things were like before open source won with corporate fiefdoms jealously hoarding technology.

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Socialism has different meanings, like a Scandinavian socialism VS USSR socialism. That negative soviet communist background is the problem.

What we have now is more like a Scandinavian version. Developers make profit from opensource and later contribute to the community by opensourcing their own stuff.

Soviet opensource would look like: everybody is forced to give their sources to the government and only government can make profit with it. Fuck that!

In my opinion, that main reason for the success of FLOSS is that it has fully used the currently available laws and rules and "just" twisted them in a way to create unique licensing terms that support sharing and cooperation instead of granting exclusive rights, creating so legally recognised and biding framework for the digital commons.

Could any other idea akin to socialism beside FLOSS be so well incorporated into the current system, without need to change laws or other government supports, just with enough people willing to participate?

Probably you gonna say cooperatives and unions, although there might be more. And I would welcome more information about the first two as well with some prime real world examples.

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As I feel rather underinformed about these topics as well.

@yogthos @bamfic that's sounds as an ideal model and in Slovakia where I live, we have healthcare and univesity education coverd by state to some extent, however political change is always messy.

It involves many conflicting, although in many cases most of them well-meaning, interest groups. For example free market enthusiast and minimal state supporters can sound rather convincing as well and they also believe that their ideals would bring change for good.

And with political cycle one might make some progress in one direction, however that might be undone when the government changes (for example we had progressive taxing, then flat tax and now we're back to somewhat progressive taxing).

Models which can coexists and interested people can whenever join them are much nicer, however unfortunately not always feasible.

Maybe only if, there were many small states experimenting with various political models and one could easily migrate to a state with a political model which suits one the best, or some utopic vision like that.

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