@isagalaev I think that it's a natural selection problem. When people exist within a particular framework successful people adapt their behaviors to maximize personal gain within that framework. Capitalism selects for psychopathic behavior and so we select for psychopaths at the top of the food chain.
@yogthos I'm… not sure it has anything to do with capitalism itself. Sounds more like human nature to me. Feudal societies were quite rich in psychopathic lords and rulers as far as I know.
Regardless, fostering social institutions is the only way to fight that. As in, societies where psycho- and sociopaths are being limited should theoretically win in the long wrong. But it should be a conscious effort to maintain this, it won't happen by itself.
@yogthos @clacke "all the employees have a voice regarding how the business is run, then we can have a reasonable democracy." — that unfortunately tends to happen at the expense of efficiency. People on lower levels of responsibility tend to think they know what the company should do, but in reality they usually simply lack information for making those decisions. That's why hierarchies actually work.
(Unless I completely misunderstand what you're saying, in which case, fuck the medium :-) )
Sacrificing *some* efficiency in the workplace is totally fine, but I do believe it's better achieved by setting legal limits on what businesses can do, instead of trying actual democracy. Because that would not just reduce efficiency, but completely kill any ability to achieve results.
@clacke @yogthos a century sounds like a stretch. It only started to happen in 1970s, I believe, when Reagan and Thatcher went hard right, while a few other European countries played with left ideas and settled on what they are now. So far it looks like it works better than US in particular. And I certainly don't expect a perfect utopian society in such a short time.
Remember, most people are still going to be jerks towards other people, it's hard to overcome that.
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