Imagine if Amazon was run as a cooperative, and the money generated by the workers went to them instead. Amazon could literally hire 10 times as many people, and have each employee work 1/2 a day a week while getting the same salary they get now. The only reason that's not happening is because a guy named Jeff takes the lion share of the profits.
@yogthos ugh, jeff
Principles are principles, but at the end of the day when you can essentially give your entire family and extended family a comfortable life where they can just explore and not struggle, most people cave at the money. The people who say they would never, haven't ever been given the opportunity in reality to turn such an offer down, and my bet is on the money winning... I've never seen anyone who had "I could have made a half billion but I turned it down on principle" yet... :/
Of course, see that's the think a little bit of cash doesn't move people off their morals. If they got an offer for say 5 times what they make now, different tune... Trust me on that one... Sticking to those guns is hard when you are looking at 100% financial stability for everyone you care about...
This is the basic thing that makes the system work. Not many will sacrifice the well being of the people they care about including themselves.
Give me the highest level anarchist, and I can tell you they have a price, if it was real. People can say whatever they want in a hypothetical, but it's fully not the same as reality.
I was actually just listening to a thing about a study on harassment in job interviews, where in the sort of questionnaire portion of the deal, there was a strong % that said they would do any number of things, then they fixed it for the real deal, and shockingly none of what they said would happen did... Being faced with the real problem, people, rarely (if provably ever) opt for continued hardships over absolute comfort...
I dunno what the actual breakdown is, but there is a number where people will abandon the morality for that... Sad but true, that business model is no different. It works but only so far as the minds behind the model are actually willing to continue over other more personally beneficial options. The reason we don't see coops making better gear is because the people capable of making better gear, sooner or later, go for better, and why shouldn't they? If you are barely making ends meet and someone comes around that will set your family in a good spot for the next few generations, can you really honestly say you'd turn that down?!
@hushroom I hear you. It still comes down to the same thing, what multiplier is enough to make you abandon that... When faced with the actual choice (real not hypothetical) it becomes super difficult. Comfortable and functional are indeed good, but it's somewhat hard, when presented with 5 times what you make to just say no, without considering it (barring fully illegal stuff) let alone borderline irresponsible if you are in a family situation...
Valid points. It depends on how thirsty the coops are for expansion and growth to be honest. Consider that if the entire coop benefits by aggressive expansion, than the coop as a whole improves their own wage condition. Assuming full democratic decision making, it stands to reason that all participants would want to improve that condition rather than good enough, or rather the majority probably would.
The real question is could you keep innovators involved in that scenario or not, which is a huge ? as many "Innovators" are not looking for group benefit a lot of the time, but personal growth instead.
Because it really hasn't been done on a large scale, there is really no way to judge success. That said I've definitly seen some successful employee owned models working quite well over a number of years, expansion is not nearly as fast as some, but still successful. In and Out comes to mind as a very successful employee owned business that has a scale that is larger, with a very complex product distribution model (their locations are stocked by locally sourced product yet remain consistent in product as they expand, nearly identical product in every location). Growth is slower than most in that business...
@yogthos Are those numbers for real? 👀
@yogthos This is why I try to support employee-owned businesses wherever I can. Shareholders and CEOs are parasites.
That would be super cool, but I would prefer multi-stakeholder structure where the customers would also have a say.
@yogthos What kind of human garbage do you have to be to do this to workers. Every time I read a piece like this, I move just a tiny bit closer to being authcom
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