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Today in labor history April 29, 1894: Jacob Coxey led a group of 500 unemployed workers from the Midwest to Washington, D.C. They demanded federal jobs for the poor. The authorities promptly arrested Coxey and many of his followers for trespassing on Capitol grounds.

The Return of Coxey's Army (By Eddie Starr)
When they busted all the unions,
You can't make no living wage.
And this working poor arrangement,
Gonna turn to public rage.
And then get ready . . .
We're gonna bring back Coxey's Army
And take his message to the street.

The financial panic of 1893 caused one of the worst depressions the country had ever seen. The depression lasted five years and caused unemployment to reach 18%. Banks failed and currency supplies dried up after Congress repealed the Sherman Silver Purchase Act. Coxey owned a sand quarry and was personally wealthy. But he was outraged at the government’s lack of response to the poverty he saw around him. So, he organized a march on Washington, to demand jobs for the poor.

Who is responsible for missing money?

shkspr.mobi/blog/2025/04/who-i

I have a simple rule of thumb when it comes to news reports. The real story is always in the penultimate paragraph.

Let's look at this inflammatory headline:

Woman’s 'spree' after $158k banking error, refuses to return pensioner’s life savings

An Auckland beneficiary is under investigation for an alleged “spending spree” after $158,000 was mistakenly transferred to her account.

[…] pensioner lost his life savings due to an account number error.

The account number provided to Westpac had only 15 digits, not the intended 16, so Westpac added a zero to the suffice [sic] as per its usual protocols.

Newstalk ZB

Wow! That seems pretty bad. Obviously the woman who allegedly received the money and then spent it shouldn't have done that. Spending money that doesn't belong to you is a crime in most parts of the world. But let's focus on the real villain here - the evil bank!!

Why did the bank make the decision to add an extra digit to the recipient's account number?

An NZ bank account number looks like BB-bbbb-AAAAAAA-SSS.

The first two digits are the banking institution and the next four are the specific branch. The seven digit account number relates to the specific account. The three digit suffix is for the type of account. For example, your spending account might have suffix 001 and your savings account might have suffix 099.

However, because all suffices have a leading zero, it is often only displayed as two.

So, adding an extra zero to the suffix itself shouldn't have caused a problem. It would have gone to the correct recipient although it might have either gone to the wrong sub-account. Indeed, WestPac's help page on international transfers says "if your account suffix is 12, enter 012". It sounds like the journalist hasn't quite understood where the insertion happened.

It seems likely to me that the victim meant to type 1234567-001 but missed a digit, causing WestPac to shift things to 1235670-01. That's poorly formatted but technically valid.

But, wait! Don't bank account numbers have checksums? Yes! According to NZ's internal revenue, all bank account numbers have a check-digit. However, when checking an account number's validity:

If less than the maximum number of digits is supplied, then values are right justified and the fields padded with zeroes

Bank account number validation

Having played around with the algorithm, the first few digits of the account number aren't included in the checksum validation. For example, the account number 1234567 and 0234567 both pass checksumming. So it is possible that padding the start of the string wouldn't have been picked up.

Whatever the underlying issue, it is distressing to hear of someone losing a significant amount of money.

What could have stopped this?

Humans make mistakes. As an industry, we know this. It's our job to prevent, rectify, and neutralise those mistake. We need systems in place which reduce the likelihood of errors causing catastrophic failures.

Here are some systemic changes which could have prevented this:

  1. New Zealand could adopt the IBAN standard for international transfers.
  2. Confirmation of Payee asks the user to type in the name of the intended recipient. If it doesn't match the bank account, the payment is rejected or cautioned against.
    • NZ is rolling out CoP but it doesn't yet apply to international transfers.
    • Multi-lingual CoP is complex. I don't know if any cross-border payments do this yet.
  3. WestPac should have noticed the name discrepancy.
    • This is the argument I have the most sympathy with.
    • Of course, returning the money (especially to a closed account) may be difficult.

Large systems changes are expensive and time consuming.

What else could have been done? Let's go to the final few sentences of the story:

Unfortunately, the incorrect bank account number provided by Che was a valid account number for another customer, Westpac said.

“As soon as Mr Che alerted us to the issue, we traced the payment and froze the remaining funds.”

But Westpac was unable to recover the rest of Che’s money due to the seven-week delay in reporting his error to the banks.

Emphasis added

I'm not trying to victim blame here, but WestPac seem to have done what was asked for them. The sender provided an ambiguous bank account number which was, nevertheless, valid.

The sender didn't raise an issue for seven weeks. Once notified, the bank froze the recipient account and notified the police.

Yes, big evil banks should be less evil. But they're in a tough spot. People want protection, but they resent banks telling them what they can and can't do with their own money. Big systemic change is difficult but it seems crushingly unfair when an innocent party is caught in the middle.

I don't think anyone comes out of this covered in glory. Banks need to invest in technology which keeps their customers safe. Customers need to take some responsibility for checking whether a bank has done the right thing.

The only tips I can give is that you must always copy & paste financial details from a trusted source, rather than manually type them in. Always send a small amount first to check it is received. If you suspect a mistake, contact your bank immediately.

Stay safe out there.

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🆕 blog! “Who is responsible for missing money?”

I have a simple rule of thumb when it comes to news reports. The real story is always in the penultimate paragraph.

Let's look at this inflammatory headline:

Woman’s 'spree' after $158k banking error, refuses to return pensioner’s life savings
An Auckland beneficiary is under investigation for an alleged “sp…

👀 Read more: shkspr.mobi/blog/2025/04/who-i

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If a vehicle has been sold, paid and the change of ownership to the new owner has taken place, these South African #Banksters should have no lien or right to the vehicle and should take legal action against the person owing them the money.

What kind of skewed legal system do we have in #SouthAfrica and judges still collaborate with the Banks??

#Bank #Banks #Finance #Loan #Legal #Law

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"Tall Poppy" syndrome (Australia) = WEAPONISED!! Have we been turned against each other?naming and blaming, accusing friends, arguing with banks, dealing with supposed scams etcWe are being DISTRACTED!
m.youtube.com/watch?v=JW6PZ587 __

Government Spending Australia - Checks & Balances! Unconscionable !! Oversight of government spending in Australia. Huge Commitments (like Aukus, HAFF, Defence, Forced Immigration) are made without consulting the people - Why? When Questioned at Oversight - the answer is "We will get back to you". NOT GOOD ENOUGH, people! Its taxpayers money!

m.youtube.com/watch?v=05kKob4d

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Day 29 🗳️⚔️

“Prime Minister #AnthonyAlbanese has had a colourful visit to a polling booth in the southern #Sydney seat of #Banks, held by the #Liberals.

There was representation from across the political spectrum as volunteers handed out flyers to punters arriving to cast early votes — there was an on-the-ground presence from the Liberals, #Labor, #Greens, #MuslimVotesMatter, #independents, Fatima Payman’s Australia’s #VoiceParty and the #Libertarians.

Australia’s Voice senate candidate #EmanieDarwiche heckling Prime Minister Anthony Albanese. Unsurprisingly, then, the reception that Albanese received was mixed. He was loudly heckled by Payman’s NSW Senate candidate, Emanie Darwiche, who cried: “Anthony Albanese, you are committing genocide.”

Another man in a van driving past yelled out: “You’re the reason we’re broke, bro.” The third heckler was in higher spirits. “Hey Albo,” they shouted from their car window, before using an expletive to give the prime minister a very #Australian compliment.”

#AusPol / #Coalition / #Nationals <archive.md/o1wRx> / <smh.com.au/politics/federal/fe> (paywall)

Reuters: US bank regulators pull back guardrails on bank crypto activities. “U.S. banking regulators announced on Thursday they were pulling back several documents that urge banks to show caution when dabbling in cryptocurrency and related activities. The Federal Reserve said it was withdrawing a pair of supervisory letters stipulating that banks should seek advance approval from regulators […]

https://rbfirehose.com/2025/04/27/reuters-us-bank-regulators-pull-back-guardrails-on-bank-crypto-activities/

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I hate the Halifax w💶ers.
Closed my local branch last month but instead of warning/informing me of this in advance they send a letter to my inbox the month before telling me about a branch in a completely different town closing in November.

The universe does not have enough atoms for the number of facepalms required, as though it wear sent to my online inbox they still compose/lay them out like letters, complete with my address, in the town I live at the top.

How dumb do you have to be to.think that town A is town B when they are completely different names, beginning with completely different letters & having completely different postcodes?

It's been near 3½ weeks since I complained & they acknowledged, but do I have the info I need? Info like, alternative places to do my things in person?
Nope. (FYI: No banks left in my town now!)

Fuck you very solidly, where the sun don't shine FAILIFAX!

After a weekend chill out, or an attempt at it, it's Financial Ombudsman time.
#Banks #FuckTheCustomer #CorporateGreed #CorporateLaziness #CorporateFailure