Network scientists have discovered how social networks can create the illusion that something is common when it is actually rare https://www.technologyreview.com/s/538866/the-social-network-illusion-that-tricks-your-mind/
@Gargron that's one of the most scariest things about the internet.
that's why I try my hardest to not get stuck in small bubble that just agrees with me.
the read I took was that it's not a question of surrounding yourself with "agreeing" people
disagreements are inevitable on a long enough timeline under realistic conditions, even within a single human's mind -- the real question, as always, is critically examining your sources
but if you're following, say, Terrible Popular Asshole A, and a lot of your friends are A's fans, what A says seems to be consensus and omnipresent
It's just troubling that you can find a group for any opinion that will completely agree with you and make you feel right about it. You don't need to justify anything.
I want to expose myself to all kinds of ideas and people so that I have all the resources to form a rational opinion.
I also want to understand people who disagree with me, so I can better find common ground and have a decent discussion (1/?)
I get why many transpeople don't want to call out other people in their group, since they are already so oppressed in daily life, but I don't think that that is a healthy attitude
I think if you want people to subscribe to your ideas, insulting them is a pretty poor strategy. (2/2)
> It's just troubling that you can find a group for any opinion that will completely agree with you and make you feel right about it.
It's human. This is what people do -- they create, then defend, their perceived 'tribe' of people.
It's an unfortunate tendency that served us as primitives but hampers us in this day and age.
People want to think anybody who did them right in some way must 'be okay', by psychological reflex.
The reality is far messier. Recruitment for cults looks exactly like the recruitment process for extremist groups -- and, on some scales and in some areas, the same as recruitment for non-extremist organizations.
it's all pretty murky.
> all kinds of ideas and people
Exposure to things without the ability to reject them on some basis is not useful. Critically analyzing what one's exposed to isn't often done.
The end result can be normalization of atrocious things.
fash mentions, disgusting analogies
So it is that being exposed to a pile of racists, and then a few famous ones, tells some people that -- hey, racism's cool, it's "just an opinion".
So it is that being exposed to a lot of people claiming feminism is canned Satan jizz leaves most people vaguely disgusted by 'feminists'.
Racism tracks better these days in a lot of circles than feminism does, despite one being a destructive and one being a constructive.
fash mentions, disgusting analogies
(I'm already hearing a "but feminists go too far" from someone, somewhere, so I'll make this easy: Everything can go too far. Ignoring the actual constructive or destructive nature of things is inane at best. Citing examples of extremists in order to maintain the status quo isn't going to help anybody fucked by the status quo at all.
In short: Racism's goal is a race war. Feminism's goal is equality, albeit at uncomfortable cost to some.)
Anyway: I don't need to go to a Klan meeting to know they're fucked up white supremacists. I don't need to listen to twenty hours of someone talking if they start talking earnestly like they want me to go to Klan meetings.
If the aim of atrocities sounds appealing, ask yourself why -- don't simply redefine atrocity as "anything bad happening to me personally or my friends".
It's an awful trap to fall into, and nothing good comes from it.
> Exposure to things without the ability to reject them on some basis is not useful.
> The end result can be normalization of atrocious things.
good points, maybe this affected even me in some ways negatively.
definitely a thing to consider.
I guess I just want my ideas to be challenged, but that alone is not going to help. You need the proper tools to critically analyze information first.
> I guess I just want my ideas to be challenged, but that alone is not going to help.
It's a first step, but if it's the only and last, you often get people who argue from complacency, not logic or a 'third position'.
> You need the proper tools to critically analyze information first.
You do. But I would suggest one also needs compassion.
If one's only concern is their own suffering? Believe me, ignoring or committing atrocity is often easier than caring. :/
Good luck. <3
> But I would suggest one also needs compassion.
I would consider myself compassionate, but I would also like to believe that even a sociopath would follow my philosophy, just based on critical rational thought, but I definitely agree that it's easier to argue with compassionate people reasonably. I would hope more people consider the people around them and how their behavior affects other people.
We all live together on this world <3
> I would also like to believe that even a sociopath would follow my philosophy, just based on critical rational thought
Benevolent sociopaths do exist, from a medical standpoint (and I have complicated notions about that stuff I'm not going into here at all, for brevity's sake).
However, if we're talking about the common-use definition of the term, you really cannot rule out bad faith actors in any circumstances.
Some people think fucking others over is perfectly acceptable.
@Gargron is boosting this post now "common"?
@Gargron This is freakin' scary. Social networks are molding reality.
The problem is that it is not so common to stop a couple of seconds to think about what has just been read =/
> Social networks are molding reality.
They've been doing that since the first human tribe met the second.
What's happening now is accelerated but not new, and automated but not novel.
Social networks have been molding reality for probably as long -- and possibly as or more significantly -- than technology does.
It's just that they're merging.
Thank you, if that's meant truly (honestly, I don't always know how well my takes work -- my defective mind cannot always see its own mistakes).
Honestly, I wish I could do more than analyze -- but I am nobody at all, just an observer. If I had some ability to impact the current events of the world, I'm sure I'd have noticed by now. ^_^
> mean it
Well, it's very kind of you to say. ^_^
> when you communicate with others you make an impact
I try to believe it sometimes but these days it's harder than ever -- it just seems like so many people are being told exactly what's going wrong and decide to ignore it anyway.
But -- there is nothing I can do except keep trying. ^_^
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