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Network scientists have discovered how social networks can create the illusion that something is common when it is actually rare technologyreview.com/s/538866/

@Gargron that's one of the most scariest things about the internet.

that's why I try my hardest to not get stuck in small bubble that just agrees with me.

@peterspark @Gargron

the read I took was that it's not a question of surrounding yourself with "agreeing" people

disagreements are inevitable on a long enough timeline under realistic conditions, even within a single human's mind -- the real question, as always, is critically examining your sources

but if you're following, say, Terrible Popular Asshole A, and a lot of your friends are A's fans, what A says seems to be consensus and omnipresent

@sydneyfalk @Gargron Yeah that's definitely true.

It's just troubling that you can find a group for any opinion that will completely agree with you and make you feel right about it. You don't need to justify anything.

I want to expose myself to all kinds of ideas and people so that I have all the resources to form a rational opinion.

I also want to understand people who disagree with me, so I can better find common ground and have a decent discussion (1/?)

@Gargron @sydneyfalk I see both the left and right wing groups to portray the other side as the enemy and anyone on their side is completely without fault.

I get why many transpeople don't want to call out other people in their group, since they are already so oppressed in daily life, but I don't think that that is a healthy attitude

I think if you want people to subscribe to your ideas, insulting them is a pretty poor strategy. (2/2)

@peterspark @Gargron

> It's just troubling that you can find a group for any opinion that will completely agree with you and make you feel right about it.

It's human. This is what people do -- they create, then defend, their perceived 'tribe' of people.

It's an unfortunate tendency that served us as primitives but hampers us in this day and age.

People want to think anybody who did them right in some way must 'be okay', by psychological reflex.

@Gargron @peterspark

The reality is far messier. Recruitment for cults looks exactly like the recruitment process for extremist groups -- and, on some scales and in some areas, the same as recruitment for non-extremist organizations.

it's all pretty murky.

> all kinds of ideas and people

Exposure to things without the ability to reject them on some basis is not useful. Critically analyzing what one's exposed to isn't often done.

The end result can be normalization of atrocious things.

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@sydneyfalk
> Exposure to things without the ability to reject them on some basis is not useful.

> The end result can be normalization of atrocious things.

good points, maybe this affected even me in some ways negatively.
definitely a thing to consider.

I guess I just want my ideas to be challenged, but that alone is not going to help. You need the proper tools to critically analyze information first.

@peterspark

> I guess I just want my ideas to be challenged, but that alone is not going to help.

It's a first step, but if it's the only and last, you often get people who argue from complacency, not logic or a 'third position'.

> You need the proper tools to critically analyze information first.

You do. But I would suggest one also needs compassion.

If one's only concern is their own suffering? Believe me, ignoring or committing atrocity is often easier than caring. :/

Good luck. <3

@sydneyfalk
> But I would suggest one also needs compassion.

I would consider myself compassionate, but I would also like to believe that even a sociopath would follow my philosophy, just based on critical rational thought, but I definitely agree that it's easier to argue with compassionate people reasonably. I would hope more people consider the people around them and how their behavior affects other people.
We all live together on this world <3

@peterspark

> I would also like to believe that even a sociopath would follow my philosophy, just based on critical rational thought

Benevolent sociopaths do exist, from a medical standpoint (and I have complicated notions about that stuff I'm not going into here at all, for brevity's sake).

However, if we're talking about the common-use definition of the term, you really cannot rule out bad faith actors in any circumstances.

Some people think fucking others over is perfectly acceptable.

@sydneyfalk @Gargron I guess I kind of went past the topic in the article. I just have many problems with online groups and discussion.

@Gargron This is freakin' scary. Social networks are molding reality.

The problem is that it is not so common to stop a couple of seconds to think about what has just been read =/

@hellion @Gargron

> Social networks are molding reality.

They've been doing that since the first human tribe met the second.

What's happening now is accelerated but not new, and automated but not novel.

Social networks have been molding reality for probably as long -- and possibly as or more significantly -- than technology does.

It's just that they're merging.

@hellion @Gargron

Thank you, if that's meant truly (honestly, I don't always know how well my takes work -- my defective mind cannot always see its own mistakes).

Honestly, I wish I could do more than analyze -- but I am nobody at all, just an observer. If I had some ability to impact the current events of the world, I'm sure I'd have noticed by now. ^_^

@sydneyfalk @Gargron I really mean it, I realized that I was just seeing the topic from a narrow point of view

And I think that when you communicate with others you make an impact, talking about this things makes an impact, to share thoughts makes an impact :)

@hellion @Gargron

> mean it

Well, it's very kind of you to say. ^_^

> when you communicate with others you make an impact

I try to believe it sometimes but these days it's harder than ever -- it just seems like so many people are being told exactly what's going wrong and decide to ignore it anyway.

But -- there is nothing I can do except keep trying. ^_^

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