I'm very glad that @Chocobozzz is working on PeerTube, a federated video hosting platform. I think there is a lot of, if I may put it, thirst, for a photo sharing platform too. With those superficial differences between how Mastodon works and how Instagram works.
And I mean, you could just fork Mastodon and modify the UI. Or you could build on top of ActivityPub from scratch, like PeerTube does. The possibilities are fascinating. All within one network.
@mike A magnet link is provided, looks like you didn't really look into it. And if you'd listen to people you would realize that a platform that can do everything is not what people are looking for... Mastodon can also host pictures and videos, but the feeling is different to Instagram due to the *lack* of constraints
@mike I find Mastodon pretty straightforward, actually - home column, notifications column, federated column. Simple. And I don't know what you mean by "all the japanese kiddie porn". On the other hand, there's only so much you can do to change the fundamental assumptions Hubzilla makes -- for example, none of your federated posts contain any mentions, and you're probably seeing this as "trwnh commented on your post" instead of as a simple reply.
@mike There's also a lot of bloat like calendars and wikis and so on. That's fine, it just means Hubzilla is trying to do a lot more than social, but it makes for a poor experience for people who just want the social bits. Sure, Facebook had *a couple of hundred million users in 2009, but how many of those users left because of all the "thousands of features and vendor integrations"? How useful is the News Feed model with page-spam? There's a reason why Facebook is losing users in the 1st world.
thx for feedback. I've heard that argument multible times by different people, but I'm still not shure where it comes from
Did you find it confusing to use hubzilla 'just' as a 'normal' social network, or did you found all the other functions confusing?
Was the landingpage of the hubzilla project overwhelming with all the function it presents?
@paulfree14 @mike @Gargron The landing page for the Hubzilla project is actually much nicer than the actual Hubzilla UI. But for the most part, the "confusing" thing is having so much stuff in one application. It's just overwhelming. I think the demo shows off the worst of the "Facebooky" aspects-- e.g. "thisperson changed their profile picture", "thatperson commented on your event". It actively gets in the way of communication.
@bob @mike Yeah, exactly.
* "This is a server for statuses."
* "This is a server for videos."
* "This is a server for content management."
These kinds of statements are easy to understand.
"This is a permission system that also lets you do everything" is inherently much more complex.
I sure hope Mastodon keeps it simple, because Twitter is currently languishing in feature-creep and thinks it's a media curator instead of a conversational platform.
@mike @bob I'm not personally invested in zot as a protocol, nor in activitypub, but I think AP is a bit easier to understand and more widely applicable. For example: if a service is intended to be public or almost always public, then what benefit does a rich permission system add? In the case of PeerTube, for example, videos are served via WebTorrent, which benefits from having more peers much more than it does from privacy.
@bob @mike On the other hand, I admire the fact that zot has managed to achieve DNS independence and implement nomadic identity. It's more graceful than a simple export/import, but at the same time, export/import covers most simple use cases sufficiently. Ultimately, it's about simplicity and convenience.
It also said that one hurdle is that in order to have have any kind of content ID, you need legal copies of every song to make the system work.
It'll be interesting to see how a federation would approach/deal with these potential challenges.
I'd say, fuck them. We can't afford to waste time on bending over backwards for people who don't care about us. Their time has passed. They may close one or two instances on legislation but they won't close down all of us.
Besides, I can't imagine anyone deliberately posting a pirated mainstream song. BitTorrent still exists, if that's your kind of thing.
@Shutsumon @Gargron @Chocobozzz
Also for federation:
Facebook (@banjofox woking on it)
Instagram (already mentioned)
Livejournal (long-form bloggging and communities)
Reddit (community forums)
Disqus (random site comment sections)
May be even phpBB (buletin boards, although I'm not sure if they are even alive)