If text search is ever implemented, it should be limited to your home timeline/mentions only. Lack of full-text search on general content is intentional, due to negative social dynamics of it in other networks
@Gargron It's not too late and backtrack and say "My Mastodon will never have search for keywords, only for #hashtags it's just dangerous in any context" and publicly call it out as something NOT to do. You can say there's an ideal version still open to risks and stick with that or say it should never happen and safety is paramount to this project now. Your choice.
@ryanprior @Gargron If it's not tagged with a hashtag, let it be temporary and transient like it's designed to be. There's nothing stopping me from following you and searching for political or personal keywords and using words from months, years ago against you. It's a tool for harassment with no positives for a lot of users. You want search? Tell people to #hashtag
I'm not in the business of letting useless, dangerous tools become standard for your convenience.
@Gargron @Wulf searching my timeline is a core use case for me. I often find I went to reference threads I've seen or links that were shared, and I go searching for them, except on Mastodon where I can't yet.
I also recognize the problem of abuse, and I have a script automatically deleting my tweets that are more than a year old. That's a feature I would also recommend adding to Mastodon.
@ryanprior @Gargron If you truly recognized the problem of abuse you wouldn't argue for this feature to exist in any form. One follow and a quick search for "sads" "depression" "mental health" quickly reveals at risk folk you can seriously do damage to. Mastodon is not other social media. It doesn't have to last forever. Tumblr is great for post permanency.
And yes, I've wanted Tweetdelete for Mastodon since I've got here as well.
It shouldn't last forever.
@Wulf that seems like an equally good argument for not allowing new followers to read your whole timeline.
I was able to verify in about 15 seconds this toot is the only time you've used the word "sad" in your TL just by clicking and using "ctrl+f" in the browser.
Timeline search would make that kind of operation maybe twice as fast? And no faster at all if we're talking about people using scraper scripts.
@ryanprior Let me make this abundantly clear: If you implement any keyword searching in any capacity more than a functional version of the hashtag search we already have, we can work from the data we already know from existing social media options.
People will die. There is no getting around this. Keyword search will be unnecessary deaths. This is not hyperbole, this is facts. This is already known information you can find. Let's learn from previous examples and do better.
@Gargron As a person who listens on social media to help people during disasters, I'm sad to hear that. If that is true, I hope you would add instance server location to the instance database so that digital humanitarians can try to listen for people sharing disaster info, needs, requests for assistance, etc...
I can't stop google from indexing public pages but there's a difference between "possible" and "convenient". There's already hashtags for when you *want* to be discovered via some keyword.
@Gargron Hashtags not working accross instances is not intentional but "not yet implemented" though, isn't it?
TL;DR: Robots.txt may work for google but people are free to interpret their purpose as they see fit.
and talking about negative social dynamics...
I'm afraid the entire GinnyMcQueen harassment story is proof Mastodon can't be the promised safe Heaven it appeared to aim at...
It is not that no-one did try to help her out, but it seems to be more complex to address the problem than the volunteers could anticipate...
I hope that now she has started her own instance, she can rain in the negativity the way she likes...
toot ! 🐘
@Gargron What about a per-toot option of “sure, go ahead and index this”?
This isn’t abstract to me — some of the things I’m interested in are never mentioned on the home timeline of my small instance. It’s *very* hard to find people on Mastodon to talk about these topics with.