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@evan *hugs*

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@evan *hugs*

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@kataclyst it's heartbreaking whatever the outcome, for sure. 😢

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@kataclyst it's heartbreaking whatever the outcome, for sure. 😢

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@kataclyst isn't that how Trump and his supreme court picks argued it works? 😅

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@kataclyst isn't that how Trump and his supreme court picks argued it works? 😅

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Ok, hear me out: thanks to Trump, Biden has immunity. End Trump (and Musk). Biden refuses to leave the White House, in the end, Biden wins. November surprise. Everyone's happy, right?

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Ok, hear me out: thanks to Trump, Biden has immunity. End Trump (and Musk). Biden refuses to leave the White House, in the end, Biden wins. November surprise. Everyone's happy, right?

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@chris @akurjata (I am very grateful to the help from the BCWS and a handful of really great people in the area, but the government agencies that notionally could be helpful in recovery have been completely, totally, and notably absent. That's been really disappointing, to say the least.)

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@chris @akurjata (I am very grateful to the help from the BCWS and a handful of really great people in the area, but the government agencies that notionally could be helpful in recovery have been completely, totally, and notably absent. That's been really disappointing, to say the least.)

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@chris heh, interesting overlap seeing @akurjata's thread alongside this one: https://mstdn.ca/@akurjata/11342024511 8333963

I'm definitely in the "politically ideological" camp, but being effectively abandoned by all levels of government (aside from the BCWS - they've been amazing) makes even me question that.

[Context: working out how to salvage log my property that burned in the Slocan fires this summer, fighting with insurance, hiring contractors to repair roads & infrastructure basically on my own, etc]

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@chris heh, interesting overlap seeing @akurjata's thread alongside this one: https://mstdn.ca/@akurjata/11342024511 8333963

I'm definitely in the "politically ideological" camp, but being effectively abandoned by all levels of government (aside from the BCWS - they've been amazing) makes even me question that.

[Context: working out how to salvage log my property that burned in the Slocan fires this summer, fighting with insurance, hiring contractors to repair roads & infrastructure basically on my own, etc]

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@chris the regional government here in the Slocan still hasn't acknowledged that they didn't do anything less than a great job. 😢

Those of us who were affected this summer are still very much cleaning up (with *zero* help from the district or province, much less federally - in contrast with Jasper). The more this happens, the closer we get to *really* poor outcomes for society.

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@chris the regional government here in the Slocan still hasn't acknowledged that they didn't do anything less than a great job. 😢

Those of us who were affected this summer are still very much cleaning up (with *zero* help from the district or province, much less federally - in contrast with Jasper). The more this happens, the closer we get to *really* poor outcomes for society.

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@chris this triggers so much for me. 😅 Turns out, in an era of climate catastrophe where the environment, not government, holds the monopoly on violence, governments need to acknowledge that they risk holding a monopoly on care. If they don't deliver on that care, or don't share resources and ability... Well, the anger of the people they've let down is real and probably justified.

(Violence isn't justified, but a capable government abandoning people during an emerg. feels a lot like violence..)

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@chris this triggers so much for me. 😅 Turns out, in an era of climate catastrophe where the environment, not government, holds the monopoly on violence, governments need to acknowledge that they risk holding a monopoly on care. If they don't deliver on that care, or don't share resources and ability... Well, the anger of the people they've let down is real and probably justified.

(Violence isn't justified, but a capable government abandoning people during an emerg. feels a lot like violence..)

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@samim neat! I wonder if his perspective on time in particular stems from Japan having a well-developed concept of non-[constant]-linear time in "Japanese Traditional Time"?

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@samim neat! I wonder if his perspective on time in particular stems from Japan having a well-developed concept of non-[constant]-linear time in "Japanese Traditional Time"?

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@cwebber @stefan @pluralistic I'm also one of those annoying not-scientist computer people who's like "I dunno, it's turing complete, right?" but then chooses JavaScript.

(I also stand by my "markdown is the worst system for formatting ever created and should be banned" while begrudgingly acknowledging that it seems to work for some [millions of] people (mostly technologists 😅).)

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@cwebber @stefan @pluralistic I'm also one of those annoying not-scientist computer people who's like "I dunno, it's turing complete, right?" but then chooses JavaScript.

(I also stand by my "markdown is the worst system for formatting ever created and should be banned" while begrudgingly acknowledging that it seems to work for some [millions of] people (mostly technologists 😅).)

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@cwebber @stefan @pluralistic polling and push notifications are indistinguishable above the polling frequency. 😅

(Just being playful: Obviously they'll need or at least want something, and likely have something under the hood already. The counterpoint is that (at least per my understanding) is that Twitter solved the "whales" account problem by making every account "poll" & filter where necessary the most popular accounts)

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@cwebber @stefan @pluralistic polling and push notifications are indistinguishable above the polling frequency. 😅

(Just being playful: Obviously they'll need or at least want something, and likely have something under the hood already. The counterpoint is that (at least per my understanding) is that Twitter solved the "whales" account problem by making every account "poll" & filter where necessary the most popular accounts)

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@stefan @cwebber @pluralistic maybe I'm naive but I honestly can't see how atproto isn't AP compatible with a user-invisible translation layer. It might not be *pretty*, but ultimately it's about the social aspects, right? The only reason it *wouldn't* work is if people make a decision to moderate/block content based on its source technology. Right?

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@stefan @cwebber @pluralistic maybe I'm naive but I honestly can't see how atproto isn't AP compatible with a user-invisible translation layer. It might not be *pretty*, but ultimately it's about the social aspects, right? The only reason it *wouldn't* work is if people make a decision to moderate/block content based on its source technology. Right?

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@stefan @cwebber @pluralistic but there was a ton of stuff that happened to make HTTP a viable transport for AP. And that's just the base layer; lots of other tech may or may not have been "optimal."

The biggest challenges AP overcame were social, and that's down to the hard work of the AP standards crew, Eugen, and loads of others who pushed things forward. Same with Jay & co. (Assuming they ship federation 😅)

Kudos all around!

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@stefan @cwebber @pluralistic but there was a ton of stuff that happened to make HTTP a viable transport for AP. And that's just the base layer; lots of other tech may or may not have been "optimal."

The biggest challenges AP overcame were social, and that's down to the hard work of the AP standards crew, Eugen, and loads of others who pushed things forward. Same with Jay & co. (Assuming they ship federation 😅)

Kudos all around!

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@stefan @cwebber @pluralistic *but* I came to the conclusion a long time ago that the actual underlying technology matters very little. If whatever design has struggles, it'll evolve until those issues go away.

It used to be consensus that the thing notionally AP-before-it-was-AP couldn't work because HTTP couldn't support this sort of constant flow of data. There were good reasons! Also 😂 clearly the consensus was wrong.

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@stefan @cwebber @pluralistic *but* I came to the conclusion a long time ago that the actual underlying technology matters very little. If whatever design has struggles, it'll evolve until those issues go away.

It used to be consensus that the thing notionally AP-before-it-was-AP couldn't work because HTTP couldn't support this sort of constant flow of data. There were good reasons! Also 😂 clearly the consensus was wrong.

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@stefan @cwebber imho, <<they're the same picture>>.

I very much agree with @pluralistic's concerns that bsky need to *actually ship* meaningful, non-reversible federation (but also trust the folks involved to do that. There will be a *lot* of side-eyeing and loss of faith in progressive movements if they don't 😅).

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@stefan @cwebber imho, <<they're the same picture>>.

I very much agree with @pluralistic's concerns that bsky need to *actually ship* meaningful, non-reversible federation (but also trust the folks involved to do that. There will be a *lot* of side-eyeing and loss of faith in progressive movements if they don't 😅).

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@evan (and don't get me started on Meta's insane, cynical and toxic af stance that federation needs to be opt-in. By that line of argumentation, google should shut down email federation for Gmail addresses and make it opt in. It's just *such* a broken world-view and seriously fractures the promise of the Fediverse; as far as I've seen (from my limited perspective), there's been effectively zero pushback)

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@evan (and don't get me started on Meta's insane, cynical and toxic af stance that federation needs to be opt-in. By that line of argumentation, google should shut down email federation for Gmail addresses and make it opt in. It's just *such* a broken world-view and seriously fractures the promise of the Fediverse; as far as I've seen (from my limited perspective), there's been effectively zero pushback)

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@evan agreed 100% that it's not about the tech. I stopped paying attention, but the BDFL issue was (is?) very real in the AP world, too. I personally think there are some very real issues with an adversity to design for usability and scale in the AP sphere that stem from a variety of viewpoints. My point is more that *assuming* bsky deliver on federation, it's *all* fedi.

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@evan agreed 100% that it's not about the tech. I stopped paying attention, but the BDFL issue was (is?) very real in the AP world, too. I personally think there are some very real issues with an adversity to design for usability and scale in the AP sphere that stem from a variety of viewpoints. My point is more that *assuming* bsky deliver on federation, it's *all* fedi.

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@jdp23 @kissane I thought about including WEBP, but we all know people who use WEBP are shills for Google. I also thought about bringing GIF into the debate, but I knew it would descend into a /ɡɪf/ vs /dʒɪf/ fight, and no-one wants that in 2024. 😬

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@jdp23 @kissane I thought about including WEBP, but we all know people who use WEBP are shills for Google. I also thought about bringing GIF into the debate, but I knew it would descend into a /ɡɪf/ vs /dʒɪf/ fight, and no-one wants that in 2024. 😬

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@darius Doritos.

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@darius Doritos.