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@varjmes@mastodon.technology clearly it should be called musk.cloud.

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@varjmes@mastodon.technology clearly it should be called musk.cloud.

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@symroe @floppy my recommendation would be to ignore or bend the spec (I say that having been involved with large parts of it in the past). The problem with a lot of the specification processes to date is that they've operated in a vacuum, so don't necessarily reflect what's needed, and can't react quickly enough.

e.g., For DMs, an auto-reply saying "non-encrypted DMs are dropped and not stored" would be a compliant but rule-bendy approach to start.

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@symroe @floppy my recommendation would be to ignore or bend the spec (I say that having been involved with large parts of it in the past). The problem with a lot of the specification processes to date is that they've operated in a vacuum, so don't necessarily reflect what's needed, and can't react quickly enough.

e.g., For DMs, an auto-reply saying "non-encrypted DMs are dropped and not stored" would be a compliant but rule-bendy approach to start.

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@symroe @floppy with a code change, absolutely!

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@symroe @floppy with a code change, absolutely!

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@Danhon yes.

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@Danhon yes.

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@thomasfuchs it would be amazing to see some of the techniques applied in SSB, Briar, and others applied here; thanks to the pliable nature of the protocol, it's definitely possible to add secure end-to-end encryption for PMs and DMs here.

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@thomasfuchs it would be amazing to see some of the techniques applied in SSB, Briar, and others applied here; thanks to the pliable nature of the protocol, it's definitely possible to add secure end-to-end encryption for PMs and DMs here.

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@Gargron from someone who knows first-hand what you're going through, awesome work, keep it up, but also take care of yourself! 😁❤️

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@Gargron from someone who knows first-hand what you're going through, awesome work, keep it up, but also take care of yourself! 😁❤️

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@symroe that would be an awesome chat, keen to hear your thoughts in more detail, too! I should head out west! 😁

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@symroe that would be an awesome chat, keen to hear your thoughts in more detail, too! I should head out west! 😁

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@waferbaby@friend.camp just finished the new Alto; crack, and not in a good way. 😲

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@waferbaby@friend.camp just finished the new Alto; crack, and not in a good way. 😲

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@KevinMarks I know! 😀 (he says, from mastodon.social to xoxo.zone ❤️)

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@KevinMarks I know! 😀 (he says, from mastodon.social to xoxo.zone ❤️)

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@benward @mathowie @Gargron yeah, looks like it's a long-outstanding issue https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/177

I hope _portability_ (i.e., a "I've moved" HTTP-style redirect) gets implemented before _migration_, but my perpetual bias is towards addressing [social] network topologies before personal data ownership.

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@benward @mathowie @Gargron yeah, looks like it's a long-outstanding issue https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/177

I hope _portability_ (i.e., a "I've moved" HTTP-style redirect) gets implemented before _migration_, but my perpetual bias is towards addressing [social] network topologies before personal data ownership.

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@torgo 😂 I try, and I fail. I *try* and _fail_. 😭

💨

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@torgo 😂 I try, and I fail. I *try* and _fail_. 😭

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@symroe to my other message's point - there are no notional "founders" or "designers" here; we all are. If you want to do better, or design a different community, do it! You don't need to fight other communities for critical mass, since federation means no-one needs to "leave" in order to switch communities.

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@symroe to my other message's point - there are no notional "founders" or "designers" here; we all are. If you want to do better, or design a different community, do it! You don't need to fight other communities for critical mass, since federation means no-one needs to "leave" in order to switch communities.

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@symroe @egtann yes and no. We've never seen "social email" before. There will be nazis. But if a community decides to kick the nazi, they can. If a community is full of nazis, that community can be blocked by others. It's about self-determination for communities, versus corporate control. No regulatory framework will ever fix all the problems, because different communities have different standards. This enables everyone to have their own community, but still communicate with people elsewhere.

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@symroe @egtann yes and no. We've never seen "social email" before. There will be nazis. But if a community decides to kick the nazi, they can. If a community is full of nazis, that community can be blocked by others. It's about self-determination for communities, versus corporate control. No regulatory framework will ever fix all the problems, because different communities have different standards. This enables everyone to have their own community, but still communicate with people elsewhere.

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@hchamp so much this. I fought at Twitter in the very early days to take the approach you'd taken at Flickr. Sadly, I lost, but for a long time I thought that just meant being fired. In retrospect, I'm not sure there's anything that could have been done given the cast there. On the plus side, I'm really glad to see you here! It's far from perfect, and Twitter still has monopolistic control of a giant network, but at least there's the possibility of real community here.

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@hchamp so much this. I fought at Twitter in the very early days to take the approach you'd taken at Flickr. Sadly, I lost, but for a long time I thought that just meant being fired. In retrospect, I'm not sure there's anything that could have been done given the cast there. On the plus side, I'm really glad to see you here! It's far from perfect, and Twitter still has monopolistic control of a giant network, but at least there's the possibility of real community here.

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I really wish the post button didn't say TOOT. Between that and "Secure Scuttlebutt" it's like people building decentralised things want to make life hard on themselves.

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I really wish the post button didn't say TOOT. Between that and "Secure Scuttlebutt" it's like people building decentralised things want to make life hard on themselves.

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Going to give this a try again, since it's basically the original vision I had for Twitter, but with people this time. 😊

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Going to give this a try again, since it's basically the original vision I had for Twitter, but with people this time. 😊

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This is good.

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This is good.