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@jackyan @lucire 🙌 do it! 😁 I don't have the cycles to set up/run a community like that myself, but I'd be happy to bounce some ideas around with you if it'd be helpful!

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@jackyan @lucire 🙌 do it! 😁 I don't have the cycles to set up/run a community like that myself, but I'd be happy to bounce some ideas around with you if it'd be helpful!

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@thomasknoll 😂

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@thomasknoll 😂

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@bumbleebee I ... don't disagree, but I think that's just my cultural orientation. Many publications do some really good work, and people who care about things that some might consider vapid don't need to justify their interests.

You're also not wrong about advertising, but advertising to a more-relevant community is even more valuable! Putting aside questions of tracking (I personally think tracking is unethical), people buy Vogue magazine *for* the advertising. Same with joining community.

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@bumbleebee I ... don't disagree, but I think that's just my cultural orientation. Many publications do some really good work, and people who care about things that some might consider vapid don't need to justify their interests.

You're also not wrong about advertising, but advertising to a more-relevant community is even more valuable! Putting aside questions of tracking (I personally think tracking is unethical), people buy Vogue magazine *for* the advertising. Same with joining community.

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@Danhon This would be a direct analogy to Reddit communities, where you don't have a profile per community, but where interactions are still scoped.

(cc @darius who I'm sure has great thoughts on this)

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@Danhon This would be a direct analogy to Reddit communities, where you don't have a profile per community, but where interactions are still scoped.

(cc @darius who I'm sure has great thoughts on this)

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@Danhon one of the things I find surprising about mastodon-as-implemented is that it would be trivial to allow people to sign in as their "primary" across communities, rather than creating a new account/profile on each community (indeed, this was the mode that we imagined when we designed webfinger). Maybe someone will build this as the problem becomes more acute?

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@Danhon one of the things I find surprising about mastodon-as-implemented is that it would be trivial to allow people to sign in as their "primary" across communities, rather than creating a new account/profile on each community (indeed, this was the mode that we imagined when we designed webfinger). Maybe someone will build this as the problem becomes more acute?

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@jonstahl @buzz for sure, and there area bunch of tools that do this, but I'm not sure if any of the Mastodon forks implement it directly?

I'd love to see that feature but instead of cross-posting (which has the effect of keeping a lot of the "engagement" on twitter), have it post a "I sent a message on mastodon, read it here: <link>" message, which would have the effect of making Twittera less attractive place to be (though Elon could just filter those tweets).

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@jonstahl @buzz for sure, and there area bunch of tools that do this, but I'm not sure if any of the Mastodon forks implement it directly?

I'd love to see that feature but instead of cross-posting (which has the effect of keeping a lot of the "engagement" on twitter), have it post a "I sent a message on mastodon, read it here: <link>" message, which would have the effect of making Twittera less attractive place to be (though Elon could just filter those tweets).

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@lzg 😱🤬😭

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@lzg 😱🤬😭

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@buzz 💯

I worked on the tech side of this for a long time, and when it kind of went nowhere fast, I realized that what we have a lot of tech looking for communities, but not so many communities looking for novel ways to express themselves.

The latter is something that we can affect, though, and media orgs are ideally placed - journalists *are* community organizers!

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@buzz 💯

I worked on the tech side of this for a long time, and when it kind of went nowhere fast, I realized that what we have a lot of tech looking for communities, but not so many communities looking for novel ways to express themselves.

The latter is something that we can affect, though, and media orgs are ideally placed - journalists *are* community organizers!

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@ondra you'd be surprised! I think the best way to think about this is: what if your favourite journalist on a subject area ran a Reddit community. There'd be no need for individuals to create accounts on a news org's server, thanks to federation, but for those folks who are really into a topic, it'd be a natural thing to do.

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@ondra you'd be surprised! I think the best way to think about this is: what if your favourite journalist on a subject area ran a Reddit community. There'd be no need for individuals to create accounts on a news org's server, thanks to federation, but for those folks who are really into a topic, it'd be a natural thing to do.

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I'm happy to see a re-energizing of the fediverse, but I'll admit to feeling a sense of loss for my past few years of work.

I spent a good chunk of the past five years of trying various approaches to getting my former employer, Condé Nast, to set up a Mastodon-based community for any of its brands (Teen Vogue/Vogue, Bon Appetit, Them., Wired, etc).

It's not an easy problem to say the least, but the zeitgeist has now moved enough that it might actually be possible. Timing is everything, right?

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I'm happy to see a re-energizing of the fediverse, but I'll admit to feeling a sense of loss for my past few years of work.

I spent a good chunk of the past five years of trying various approaches to getting my former employer, Condé Nast, to set up a Mastodon-based community for any of its brands (Teen Vogue/Vogue, Bon Appetit, Them., Wired, etc).

It's not an easy problem to say the least, but the zeitgeist has now moved enough that it might actually be possible. Timing is everything, right?

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@Danhon we need to have a catch up call. In the mental health affirmation sense, I will admit to feeling a bit hurt/unseen/uncredited by the above thread, but if you're going to pursue this, or advise others to do so, I just spent the past ~4 years trying to do exactly this, so may have some helpful insights? ❤️

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@Danhon we need to have a catch up call. In the mental health affirmation sense, I will admit to feeling a bit hurt/unseen/uncredited by the above thread, but if you're going to pursue this, or advise others to do so, I just spent the past ~4 years trying to do exactly this, so may have some helpful insights? ❤️

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Busy busy with fission.codes folks at protocol labs week in Lisbon, having a quiet morning to catch up on sleep and BE LESS TIRED.

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Busy busy with fission.codes folks at protocol labs week in Lisbon, having a quiet morning to catch up on sleep and BE LESS TIRED.

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@frankieroberto there are a number of tools (Google Docs & Dropbox Paper are the most famous) but the overall seam of tech from an algorithmic standpoint is represented mostly by Operational Transforms or CRDTs (Conflict-free replicated data types).

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@frankieroberto there are a number of tools (Google Docs & Dropbox Paper are the most famous) but the overall seam of tech from an algorithmic standpoint is represented mostly by Operational Transforms or CRDTs (Conflict-free replicated data types).

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@KevinMarks @darius why is that scary?

I mean ... that was literally the design brief as far as I was concerned - RSS/Atom with less polling/latency, some usable semblance of identity ("I like URLs but they're not my friends"), and a better extensibility story for non-text media.

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@KevinMarks @darius why is that scary?

I mean ... that was literally the design brief as far as I was concerned - RSS/Atom with less polling/latency, some usable semblance of identity ("I like URLs but they're not my friends"), and a better extensibility story for non-text media.

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@Danhon @adrianhon @mathowie galaxy mind: the accounts you follow ARE ads.

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@Danhon @adrianhon @mathowie galaxy mind: the accounts you follow ARE ads.

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@Danhon this was largely my point the other day, but you've put it much more succinctly than me 😊

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@Danhon this was largely my point the other day, but you've put it much more succinctly than me 😊

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@arcalinea if you want to read it that way, sure.

"We want communities based on mutual aid where not everyone needs to be a technologist" is another way to interpret it.

Most "truly" decentralised systems have failed thus far at usability, and lean towards "No kings! No states! Welcome in our libertarian paradise, public key user 88fe34ac563fd33a!"

(My hope is that we get the best of both worlds, but this is a long road, and each step matters)

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@arcalinea if you want to read it that way, sure.

"We want communities based on mutual aid where not everyone needs to be a technologist" is another way to interpret it.

Most "truly" decentralised systems have failed thus far at usability, and lean towards "No kings! No states! Welcome in our libertarian paradise, public key user 88fe34ac563fd33a!"

(My hope is that we get the best of both worlds, but this is a long road, and each step matters)

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@ben@benward.social I've made a grave mistake by assuming all of this was obvious. The per-medium feeds (which could also go through a single identity with content type negotiation and aggregation/proxying/pointers as with webfinger) are way more important than birdsite replacement. I'm gunning for Instagram, and then for all the social systems our generation never built.

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@ben@benward.social I've made a grave mistake by assuming all of this was obvious. The per-medium feeds (which could also go through a single identity with content type negotiation and aggregation/proxying/pointers as with webfinger) are way more important than birdsite replacement. I'm gunning for Instagram, and then for all the social systems our generation never built.

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@Danhon so having worked on resist.ca and with riseup.net you now see my plan all these years. 😂 (Well, part of it)

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@Danhon so having worked on resist.ca and with riseup.net you now see my plan all these years. 😂 (Well, part of it)