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Conspiracy theory: 'spaghetti carbonara' is so named for the Carbonari, the italian pseudo-rosicrucian secret society also known as 'coal-burners', who popularized various pasta dishes as an edible encoding of their philosophy

@enkiv2 yeah that argument has apparently been made for real by someone, aside of the 3 main hypotheses currently retained 'canonically'

@charlyblack
Seriously?

Every time I make an elaborate shitpost it turns out I'm less original than I thought.

@enkiv2 the mention to Carbonai as the secret society is in the English wikipedia page (but not in the Italian one), it would have made a much more exciting origin story tbh en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonar

@charlyblack
Yeah. Though, it's not like encoding philosophical, mystical, or religious ideas in food is terribly unusual.

The catholic mass's bread & wine is a normal invocation ritual (where you eat the symbolic godflesh in order to become the god).

Judaism seems to have a whole variety of symbolic meals with complicated symbolism that links to historical events. Hinduism has traditional foods for puja too, less linked to particular days.

@enkiv2 for sure, the Carbonari though were much more into politics than mysticism, as part of the scenario that led to the process of Italian unification, which makes this fake theory even more interesting

@charlyblack
The wikipedia page makes it seem that way, yeah. I know about the Carbonari via Gary Lachman's book Occult Politics, and to a lesser extent, Robert Anton Wilson, who puts them in his Historical Illuminatus Trilogy (apparently fudging the chronology slightly) and in his encyclopedia of conspiracy theory, Everything is Under Control.

Both nationalist & republican movements tend to have a strong occult current & the carbonari leaned hard on rosicrucian aesthetics.

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@enkiv2 @charlyblack I was quite sad, RAW didn't manage to keep the Historical Illuminatus trilogy going. Really enjoyed those books.

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Honestly, the third book in that series started petering out (as often happens). It transformed into one of his essay collections.

Somehow his best work is one-off stuff like Masks of the Illuminati.