I used one of these, briefly, in the mid- 1980s! Ran CP/M, I think.

The NEC Advanced Personal Computer

Note the five ring binders' worth of documentation -- very important.

Also, those are 8 inch diskette drives. Yep. Oldschool for 1983.

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@natecull Agenda, Outliners, Mind Mappers.

Where are they now?

@jbond I don't know!

Outliners got subsumed into word processors but nobody ever really uses that features because it's too hard to understand

Mind Maps seem to have become a weird kind of copyright cult? Like a sort of Amway for Computers? A dozen products which all fiercely guard their trade secrets.

@natecull Mind maps still get used by a certain type of project consultant. They're useful touchstone for exploring client needs. Bit like Tarot cards really.

We ran an IT support dept and small business on Agenda I. It was brilliant. It just needed to be multi-user. But then Lotus ruined it with Agenda II and it was then absorbed into Notes.

I still do outlining. But for the last 20 years it's been tabbed indents in a text editor (notepad++). It's brilliant for planning a doc or essay.

@jbond @natecull I went through an outlining phase and a mindmapping phase. Right now I mostly use traditional documents plus a technique I call the "coherency game" which is a simple ruleset layered on top of traditional brainstorming to filter the ideas.

I wrote up how I used it this past weekend to make a game design: ldjam.com/events/ludum-dare/42

@Triplefox @jbond @natecull

Scrivener's got a huge pile of note options, Keep exists (albeit in the cloud), and Aeon Timeline lets you create really complex timelines and then look at them non-proportionally, for clarity

Aeon's features have been getting more complex but I still don't feel like I know what I'm doing with it properly

(then again I wrote an entire timeline for all the canon Overwatch events in the lore -- so now I know Angela Ziegler's the same age as Jesse McCree, etc., so)

@Triplefox @jbond @natecull I live in FreeMind at work, it's where my meeting notes go (which then paste into docs/emails as nice bullet lists), and my personal thinking/starting notes.
Sometimes I use Scapple for a more free-form experience.
And many wikis....

The greater a button's effect, the more noise it attracts, triggering it :*/

I like outlines in text files to evolve concepts, or to keep track of a (small or sub-) project's tasks.

Arrow diagrams are cool for communicating all sorts of things. And also for designing together, on a b/w board. Customers usually want sketches on napkins...

I have seen customers trick themselves into working organized by using mindmapping ui. But compared to text files or paper these seem very inconvenient.

@jbond @natecull

@jbond @natecull my company consults; we install XMind on every machine. It is a great way to “whiteboard” something out in a room with a team all collaborating together. In the end you get a great, 1 page document that accurately describes the brain storming session.

@jbond @natecull Markdown syntax largely transparently supports outlining:

# Title
## Major theme
### Development
#### Detail
## Second theme ...
...

grep '^#' # outline

And you can promote/demote with regex replacement (over aa text range if you like):

s/^##/#/
s/^#/##/

@dredmorbius @jbond @natecull
I'm a bullet-list user, did a lot of that in @cryptpad
For more complicated things (multiple dependency, cycles) I have tried just writing a simple dot file and rendering it.

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