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Sadly, I agree with JD Vance.

I'm seeing a LOT of lefty people, including supposed Epidemiology Twitter, lighting up with all 'yay protests! go protest! fight the power!' and I'm just shaking my head here.

That is indeed how you destroy all respect for public health authorities.

Don't shoot the messenger. The people telling you that this is a problem are correct and this massive double standard on the left is gonna hurt America. Already has.

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Sometimes I am very frustrated with the online left. This is one of those times.

A virus doesn't care about your politics and whether your hanging out in large crowds is for a 'good cause' or not.

Virus just gonna do what virus does.

I fear this support by public health Twitter for protests is up there with the CIA doing fake smallpox vaccinations for self-owns. Undercuts six months of messaging in one stroke.

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Like, if public health peeps can't see how critically their support for large outdoor protests right now endangers, if not destroys, the ENTIRE public health messaging and trust-building operation against COVID-19 conspiracy theories in the USA.... I think it can only be because they're so close to politics that they're choosing not to look.

This conspiracy theorists have been handed a huge stick and they're gonna hit public health messaging with it. Sorry to have to say that.

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And this, for example.

twitter.com/LeonHWolf/status/1

I think the predicatable swell of anger and betrayal at seeing vocal public health activists support these protests is going to really hurt both public healthcare and the left.

What the brute impact in terms of C19 case and death numbers will be, I don't know. I'm watching the numbers just like anyone else.

I'm just glad our protests here in NZ were minimal, peaceful, and we've basically eliminated C19 now so we should be safe.

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@natecull This will solve itself as the dead people start piling up again. California is right now seeing the beginning if the Covid surge from the stupid "open the beaches" protests from 10-14 days ago. And that's nothing to what we will see in two weeks when the receipts come in for the mass gatherings this week.

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@tsturm @natecull

Y'all not seeing the bigger picture. More covid means the schools stay closed. This is the US finally ending school shootings (for a few months).

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@machado @tsturm

That's one upside, yeah!

Man, everything is all just so messed up I just don't understand anything anymore.

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@tsturm

That's what I fear. But then again, I dunno anything right now. I thought we'd see a lot more upturn a couple weeks ago, but maybe that's starting to (very slowly) hit now.

There's so many unknowns all around this and I know a lot of very smart and well-meaning people are trying to figure it out as they go. And it's all going to get a lot more complex and hard to parse as everything progresses.

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@natecull Yeah, just dealing with Covid it was already so hard to predict anything about more than two weeks out, but now with the protests and a general lapse in quarantine we are in for a giant shitshow of a second wave. Getting closer to the US elections is not going to help either.

It's frustrating and scary.

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@natecull

This is some serious victim-blaming.

People did try to have distanced, peaceful outdoor protests and were set upon by the police who forced crowding.

Police violence against black people, especially men and boys is also a public health emergency. 1 in 1000 will die of it. Others face serious health consequences in terms of injury and prolonged stress.

Don't blame people for rebelling against people who murder them.

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@celesteh

I repeat: A virus doesn't care about your politics. Or anyone's politics.

A virus has killed 100,000 people in the USA.

That virus is now gonna kill a lot more because of these protests. Both from direct spreading, and by destroying the US public's trust in public health professionals.

I'm sorry that reality is uncomfortable in this particular case.

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@natecull @celesteh And a thousand people were killed by cops in 2019.

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@natecull

Black people are dying of covid at higher rates because of racism. Stop thinking of this as "politics" and think of it is a longer-running, also-urgent public health emergency that is inter-connected with covid.

In NYC, black people are vastly over represented in prisosn which took no covid precautions. The police did not pause their abuse but used the quarantine as an excuse for additional brutalisation. Many were also key workers.

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@natecull

Because everything in the US is unequal, many people protesting did not have the luxury of a quarantine in the first place. It feels like you're asking them to accept their mistreatment quietly for the sake of others and it's really not cool.

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@natecull

I am also concerned about a second wave - or indeed, still the first wave speeding up. The best way to deal with this, imo, is to facilitate safe protests and make fast, meaningful concessions. Give people victory and they won't need to be out doing this.

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@celesteh Agreed. Trump's making the protests much worse than they needed to have been. If he cared about public health he'd tell the cops not to engage.

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@natecull

The US had already lifted most restrictions and is sending workers into massively unsafe work environments. The protests are at least outdoors and may have lasting positive impact in terms of justice and health, as these two things can't actually be separated.

I'm also concerned about covid implications, but this is 100% on the heads of the cops. Around 64% of Americans support the protests so worries about the election sound like concern trolling.

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@celesteh Frankly I don't care what I "sound like". I'm telling you honestly how I feel.

You can choose to think I'm lying if you want. You can also choose to think about the optics of the situation or not.

But if you don't think about the optics of the situation, politics may become problematic.

I mean sure, Trump's outed himself as a proper fascist now. I really hope that counts enough with the big mushy middle to take him out. But it didn't in 2016.

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@celesteh

I'm just telling you what I forsee is likely to happen as a direct result of public messaging choices being made by the left right now.

You can choose whather you want to think about this or not. It's not my country, after all. I'm just watching through the fence.

I hope I'm wrong. But you guys might have lost the November election because of this. You might have damaged your credibility that badly.

Trump is also backfiring, so let's hope he does worse.

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@natecull @celesteh The left already lost the presidential election when Sanders dropped out.

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