@sanspoint quite frankly I'm more OK with either of them using it than corporations

@sanspoint indeed! Also, have some data from across the pond: https://femavis.herokuapp.com/index.html

(actual gov.uk link, believe it or not)

Fraud *plus* error is about 2% of spend. Fraud is < 0.5% of spend.

There is also a significant benefits *underpayment* problem. gov.uk probably comes out well ahead most years

@sanspoint the more left-wing part of me wants to respond with "if a few 'welfare queens' abusing the system is a good argument for welfare to be abolished, then surely it also makes sense to eliminate all the big banks and financial companies that screwed over the economy in 2008, right?"