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@mralanorth@ioc.exchange @blaine @shengokai In essence, they strip context. Replies are easily visible as part of the same thread, but the QT takes it out of that thread and puts it into a new context. People browsing the original thread cannot easily see your quote. People seeing the quote can dip into the thread, but multiple layers of quotes is a pain to navigate.

I liken it to, if this were an old BBS-style forum, it would be like creating a new thread to discuss one person's post in a different thread.

@mralanorth@ioc.exchange @blaine @shengokai Ultimately what I think the discrepancy comes down to, and why people are opposed to quotes in this space, is that fedi is more about conversation than publishing. It is skinned to look like a public platform, but in actuality it operates like email or a messaging app.

I actually think quotes have their place, but specifically on an actual website, while fedi is awkwardly halfway in-between being a website/platform and being a messaging service...

@mralanorth@ioc.exchange @blaine @shengokai And really, the divide between messaging and publishing explains more than you would realize at first.

For example: people's attitudes toward archival and full-text search. It's reasonable to have those things on your personal website, but no one wants their emails or messages being searched or archived. That we have marked them "public" is, I think, contradictory -- they are only marked this way because we want other people to see us, and it is a technical limit.

@trwnh @mralanorth@ioc.exchange @shengokai really good insights. ❤️

I think we collectively need a map of fracture lines in the Fediverse. Not as an oppositional thing, but as a way to navigate intent.

For me, those are strongly related to medium; e.g. the lines between pixelfed and mastodon are clear, even though it is possible to boost between them, it's a bit weird.

Mastodon's "sin" is that it tied communities to instances, rather than making communities more like mailing lists, things that you can join

@blaine @trwnh @mralanorth @shengokai do you think the new follow hashtags feature gets us 80% of the way to communities we can join fluidly? (once it's implemented in enough clients)

@trwnh @mralanorth @shengokai @blaine what if Quotes could ONLY be used within groups, so that content is never leaked out of context?

@blaine @trwnh @mralanorth @shengokai

Imho there’s a space between messaging and publishing that is conversing. Like a park bench chat vs a dinner party vs a stage.

I’m working on supporting the dinner party spaces.

(This whole thread is amazing ty all)

@christina @blaine @mralanorth@ioc.exchange @shengokai Yeah, I think that fedi fits in that "conversational" space, but it is still closer to messaging than it is to publishing.

Really, the shortcoming of our current landscape is that we don't truly have a public; we need a forum, a place for discussion. I think that's what Twitter feels like to a lot of people, which they aren't finding in fedi. And that creates tension when they effectively are trying to turn this semiprivate space into a more public one.

@christina @blaine @mralanorth@ioc.exchange @shengokai technologically similar to forums, but socially still leaning to conversation