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I'm not happy with how the Wil Wheaton situation was resolved. An admin was overwhelmed with frivolous reports about him and felt forced to exile him. I've said before that I think it sets a dangerous precedent on how a large group of people can mobilize to drive anyone off the fediverse. Mob rule is universally dangerous: Mods and admins must examine evidence and decide based on wrongdoing and danger, and not on how many times someone was reported.

@Pyretta @Gargron TIL d-list need celebs have free time like you wouldn't believe

@Pyretta @Gargron his post big bang theory brand campaign game is on point

@Pyretta @Gargron personally, i think all e-list celebrities should be made admins of mastodon.social

@Gargron So the dozens upon dozens of frivolous reports he overwhelmed admins with were ok? How about his behavior? Doesn't it count for anything?

@selfagency @Gargron I have three of these on my instance, and mine is comparatively tiny. Wheaton came on here and IMMEDIATELY started stirring shit with no sense of humility whatsoever. The service is better off without people who exist only to be assholes.

@Gargron true, your team failed to respond for almost a day. I agree you guys dropped the ball hard.

@Gargron 👏 wilw 👏 is 👏 a 👏 transphobe👏

@johnnydoe @Gargron nope, he isn't and he explained that in his last posts over on @wilw

@gr4yweb @Gargron @wilw@mastodon.cloud you honestly expect me to buy that? :thonk:

@gr4yweb @Gargron @wilw@mastodon.cloud honestly? you expect me to believe someone isn’t transphobic just because they say so?

@johnnydoe so you seem to be super clued in, why is he a transphobe other than using Randi’s block list (which he explained). Cuz I googled it and found nothing else. I did find a thing he did for a trans charity. And someone who roundabout accused him via TBBT, but 🤷‍♀️. What the hell am I missing?!

@clarissawam are you aware of just how profoundly detrimental said blacklist has been to the trans community?

@clarissawam many trans people have began using the fediverse as their primary social networking tool because they believed the anti-terf agenda promoted by its various administrators made it a safe space

now the administration of its most popular primarily English speaking community defending a major contributor to the oppression that lead them here for the sake of principle without consideration for how this affects the sense of safety in the community

@johnnydoe but he said he amended it / stopped using it when he realised this. I mean, I guess he could be lying, but when he’s otherwise behaved as an ally, why should he?
I hate this “not good enough” attitude of left / liberals. This tendency to try & catch people @ being imperfect and go “AHA! GOTCHA!” It is super tiresome & not helpful.

@gayhobbes @johnnydoe I’ll give you that he’s whiny and over-sensitive, but he’s also basically been bashed from all sides for years for being too X or not Y enough. I’d probably be petulant and trigger-happy on the block button too.
I’m still not convinced he deliberately meant harm with the blocklist.

@gayhobbes @johnnydoe yeah, I know, falls into “whiny”. But can we agree he’s not a Nazi and/or a TERF? (I mean... some people think so but 🙄)
And what will you achieve by going “FUCK YOU WIL!!” Convince him? Even if half a dozen people try to reason with him, if this is drowned out in 10000 “FU Wil”s, how do you expect him to change?
& even if he NEVER changes, “FU Wil” is still dumb and shitty and counter-productive.

@gayhobbes @johnnydoe but isn’t that really shitty (provided we can agree he’s not a Nazi or TERF, just a self-absorbed privileged white dude)? People can easily block / mute him if they don’t want to engage him.
I’m SUPER not a free speech absolutist, but “we don’t like you so we’ll hound you off” is shitty. ALLOWED, for sure, but shitty.

@gayhobbes @johnnydoe yeah I read that and that's lame and shitty too. ALL SIDES were shitty in this particular episode! But come on, he didn't do anything here BEFORE people started in on him.

@clarissawam @gayhobbes @johnnydoe are you just somehow accidentally skipping over all the toots where people have described his malicious false reporting of everyone who mentions his name negatively? Not even tagging him, just using his name

@veryonlinedad @gayhobbes @johnnydoe the dogpiling started BEFORE he did that, just because he dared to be on here. Aaaaand that's shitty. You cannot convince me that's not shitty.

@clarissawam @veryonlinedad @gayhobbes you can untag me now I have nothing left to contribute to the conversation

@clarissawam @gayhobbes @johnnydoe it’s not just shitty, it’s harmful behavior and it’s why he had to go. He was deliberately deplatforming his critics which is an attack on them and the whole community. You can’t equate that with people saying FU WW. That’s a false equivalency

@clarissawam @gayhobbes @johnnydoe many of us did block him but his presence managed to spread throughout the entire fediverse.

@jardshiel @clarissawam @gayhobbes please please please stop tagging me y’all we’ve been over this

@clarissawam if you hate leftist politics this isn’t the social network for you might i suggest counter.social it’s a paradise for people like wilw

@johnnydoe I don’t hate leftist politics, I’m a leftie myself (& have been for longer than you’ve been alive 😂).
I do dislike some stuff (some part of) “the Left” does, and I should be allowed to criticise it AS a Leftie. We have to do better. And this in-fighting we’re prone to is SUPER DESTRUCTIVE. The other side is stronger than it’s been in decades. Shoving imperfect allies like wilw to their side is gonna achieve what exactly?

@clarissawam I think this video is super relevant to your exchange of #wilw. youtu.be/35AxkSgQUTI

The guy speaking is gay, liberal, married. You might be interested in what he has to say.

@dredmorbius @clarissawam I’m curious. Did you watch the video?

This is a sort of ‘ad hominem’ fallacy, though perhaps ‘ad ordinato.’

I’m interested primarily in discussing the ideas being shared, not the person/organization sharing them.

@Demo318 SPLC goes to creedibility, character, reputation, trust, and bias.

I watched the video to the point its failures of trust, bias, and credibility were glaringly apparent.

@clarissawam

@dredmorbius @clarissawam And I suppose I’ve enjoyed this thread even last that threshold.

@Demo318 And my principle point is that if your interest is in discussing ideas, you might find a less tainted source:

"PragerU releases one video per week on various topics from a conservative viewpoint."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PragerU

Particularly as your entire basis for recommending the video was in fact the source's identity, not ideas or validity:

> The guy speaking is gay, liberal, married. You might be interested in what he has to say.
qoto.org/@Demo318/100640460161

@clarissawam

@dredmorbius @Demo318 goodness, a whole argument went on in my thread & I missed it. Funny, I remember the Kevin Kruse thread mentioned in the SPLC article.
Signed, intolerant Leftie

@clarissawam @johnnydoe then he said he should have kept them blocked because of how angry they were. Such an ally.

@clarissawam What list are they referring to?Sorry a ton of boosted posts came up on my timeline & Im still kind of in the dark. Didnt even know who Wheaton was or the posters.

@johnnydoe @clarissawam I mean, sure, but, are people ever allowed to make mistakes? He said it was a mistake, he stopped doing it, does that still mean he is poisoned forever?

@Gargron People with different opinions than mine should never be allowed to speak

@knotlump People who reduce complex matters of bigotry, power, and social dynamics to "different opinions than mine" should voluntarily abstain from speaking until they figure out how now to be absurdly disingenuously reductive on the subject

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