Seeing how many polls you do.. maybe it'd be worth making a poll system in Mastodon ;)
@lionirdeadman Yes but you can also see I don't mind using strawpoll for it
@gargron if done at all, i think an opt-in per toot would be appropriate.
@lifning The next version of Mastodon will be usable only via a plane cockpit interface
I jest, but I can't really add options for every new thing when people already complain there's too many options.
@gargron @D_ @trwnh instances have some degree of control over which other instances get federated to directly, to avoid as readily propagating things to malicious actors that would draw their attention and encourage abuse. this doesn't seem subject to that type of control, AFAIK?
suppose for example, someone toots publicly "please help! my ex is slandering & harassing me please go report his blog to WordPress: <URL> please boost," would you want to pingback?
@lifning @D_ @Gargron I would say that such a message doesn't need to be public -- theoretically, the abusive ex could see it on the federated timeline. The toot would ideally be unlisted or followers-only, and most likely such a user would have a private account so that their ex could not see their messages.
@gargron @D_ @trwnh the ex in my example might not even be in the fediverse, or if he is, his victim is on an instance that doesn't federate with (anyone that federates with) his, or they at least aren't followed by anyone who's followed by people on his instance.
this, on the other hand, puts it straight on his lap.
at least a word of warning before drawing a target on yourself in a situation like this would be good...
@gargron @christianbundy oh, how about something like a little "by default, mastodon will send a pingback to the URL you're sharing in this public toot. if you'd like to disable this, [click here](/settings/foo#bar) to go to your settings" in the little message area where the "FYI your privacy settings won't be respected by GS instances" used to be?
@Gargron It seems like it would only be a positive thing - it could draw more people to the instances where people are tooting.
And if you remember, pingbacks devolved into spamfests.
@Gargron No is currently winning, and it's my vote from the options, but perhaps it could be a setting?
@Gargron Isn't this something a user should be able to decide themselves?
I'd like for mastodon to have this feature, but I wouldn't want to force everyone to leak data like that.
Is this something that if implemented would be added to every instance, or would be be a toggle-able module?
At a certain point I think Mastodon would benefit more from less-is-more (cheaper less demanding hardware, lower running costs). I don't know where that point is, any maybe it's less about whether to add it so much as knowing the % of instances that ever think it is worth activating.
@Barcode Yeah that's another contra: processing webmentions *is* going to take server resources, however few
@gargron i kinda dont because i think about how angry some people get about criticism
@Gargron Probably adding and making it opt-in would be a good way to go, if it's added. This way no one would be using it "by accident" and Mastodon would behave as it does until now and people who want it, can just go to settings and enable it for their account.
This way everyone could/would be happy.
@Gargron maybe make it optional? or only in public toots maybe
@Gargron It would be hard to communicate to everyone that - by default - all their toots that have a link will know they are linking to it (if they accept webmention requests).
So in that way, it's probably not a good idea, unless it was opt-in. But, like you say, there are already a lot of configuration options.
@Gargron If anywhere you could put it as a setting in the "Other" section right under "Opt out of search indexing." Those two are pretty related.
Also I'm glad I looked because I just checked that box, haha.
@gargron This feature sounds handy but only for public toots (so not unlisted ones, either), imo.
@florrie That's why the poll says "public toots"
@Gargron I vote user-level option.
@Gargron yeah, that. I don't see a point, really. if it really is similar to @'ing the author, you might not always want them to be part of your conversation, and the only way to opt out is to obfuscate the link.
@bonzoesc @Gargron and that part is pretty much a "no": https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/99798044724950227
Might that be a way that readers could easily find discussion about an article they found eg via RSS? For either use case how would it compare to just searching Mastodon for the article's URL?
@Gargron i dig the pros!
Don't blog/website owners already know that their site is being mentioned by looking at the referer URL in their server logs? It seems like actually implementing pingbacks would be too much effort for something that doesn't actually add utility over log processing & also will be controversial on the fediverse (which is pretty privacy-concerned generally).
@enkiv2 @Gargron The referrer policy (https://w3c.github.io/webappsec-referrer-policy/#referrer-policies) on my instance tells the browser to strip the path from outbound referrers to other sites. They'd see that my instance linked to their website, but not what toot did.
@Gargron yeah if this was implemented i'd want it to be opt-in. i don't necessarily feel comf posting links if they always tell the link's owner about my toot. i always felt like pingbacks were kind of a kludge to connect independent blogs discussing different topics anyway - the concept is barely relevant here imo
@Gargron I don't see why us users would want this.
@esp @Gargron I can see a case for users following those back if they have access to it to find what other people are saying about [thing], but this mainly benefits the people being linked to. If those people are also mastodon users, it could make finding people talking about your thing easier, I guess.
Unless there's something obvious I'm missing somewhere
@Gargron public posts having pingbacks would be nice but followers only shouldnt - if its too complicated to implement that way than I’d side with no/not right now
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