Let’s remember it’s not BlueSky vs the Fediverse
Its walled gardens against freedom
The web withers in monopoly’s shade
Together we soar on the winds of freedom
@dansup@mastodon.social bluesky is just pretending to have freedom
@Im_Dylan@mastodon.social @dansup@mastodon.social oh, really? i thought they were open source. it's just:
- they don't actually have proper federation (it's all based around a central server owned by them)
- the website is not open source, apparently (someone else told me this, i was surprised)
- their whole bit is something like "guys we're just like the old web", but they're just emulating twitter
- they're only just adding videos now (they have no features and are panicking as their userbase grows)
- their moderation is as bad as any other centralised platform (twitter, threads, ...) and they rely on user moderation such as lists (which is problematic)
@Im_Dylan@mastodon.social @dansup@mastodon.social this is a screenshot of chatgpt
@tauon I am well aware lol I am using it until September 4th when the subscription dies but I also use Huggingface a lot with Mistral.
@dansup I don't 100% agree. Motivations from the developers (who at the end, will take decisions over the software) are important. If those are tied by investors, that may be a problem...
@dansup I like bluesky but it smells more like a walled garden than freedom let's be frank here.
@dansup BlueSky is a for profit company, it can't last forever in its current state, eventually they will need to monetize their user base or it will disappear.
On the other hand, the Mastodon network is largely nonprofit, meaning instances will last as long as the passion and donations do.
@dansup@mastodon.social I have some concerns about Bluesky but at least they're very likely to be a better actor as well as a counterweight to Meta and in the best case scenario they do become a decentralized platform eventually.
On the contrary.
The walled gardens have not gone away with the fediverse. At all.
In fact there are more walled gardens than ever before. Every #Mastodon instance is its OWN walled garden, in terms of discoverability. Search is cordoned off: you can’t find anything for the most part except whatever might have been posted to your own walled garden and only if recent.
Talk of “freedom” is lovely but the reality is Mastodon is like a spy agency with severely compartmentalized info.
personal opinion as a matodon admin, i hope that ATprotocol and activitypub will be able to interop at a protocol level someday soon
@snarfed.org is working hard at it
@dansup an open social web
Of course not every node will be connected to each other
@dansup Agree
We should be thinking in terms of collaboration, not competition.
The essence of federation is a union of different entities, along with shared and divided powers and responsibilities.
Open means being open in every sense, especially open minded.
The common foe that must be conquered is closed, corporate social. If open social is divided, then *it* will be conquered.
Implementation doesn't matter as much as interoperability.
I have noticed the same. Frustrated that many are at Bluesky and even still at the bird site.
Perceived reach I imagine.
@atthenius @dansup Yeah, pretty disappointing.
Well, it's not over yet, Bluesky will inevitably enter its own enshittification era eventually, and the fediverse will only get better.
@dansup I don't get it why everybody body is against bluesky the atprotocol is actually better as the activity pub and both are solution for the social web