"Police are warning students and universities not to access Sci-Hub, an "illegal website" that allows users to download scientific research papers normally locked behind expensive subscriptions."
Very bad indeed. That name again: Sci-Hub. Remember it so you can avoid it. Ahem.
I'm sharing the site everywhere so people know to stay away from it.
Thank you for warning us!
@fribbledom Download? Maybe no, but at the same time, there can be different degrees of seamlessness between your own knowledge and the combined knowledge of humanity.
Right now this is represented by the ability to go to #wikipedia at any time, limited only by your understanding of the knowledge map, of basic principles common to all science, and reading speed.
In the future, the seam will only be thinner.
If an author/creator/owner of a piece of #work says their work has a price / is not free / can (only) be accessed with payment... whether it's physical or digital goods... and we go around their backs and take their work without compensating them...
Well, there's a word for that. 🤨
What one does is their choice. You do what you do. But *let's not teach/encourage others* to go down that path. That is much worse than doing the wrong yourself.
@evelynyap @fribbledom The problem I see in academic publishing is (correct me if I'm wrong) the authors not getting any money even though the public has to pay for access.
This is why I personally don't see that mich of a moral problem with pirating papers etc.
But I can see where you're coming from and I agree that if a authors / creators income is directly harmed from piracy of their work it is immoral to just take it.
What do you think?
Instead, I think it's best to contact them directly* and ask* nicely. Or offer to pay them directly. I bet it would please them.
As far as i know, studies are either funded by authors/researchers themselves (rare) or by an entity/institution (common). It's reasonable to think that whoever funded it would own* the work and may want to get some of their investment back. 🤷♀️
All my papers so far have been funded either by EU or the government or a funding entity that collects money from charity and fundraising events. On top of the research cost I have had to pay thousands of euros to publish them. If you ask me, I’ve already paid enough to the vultures (ai.e journal) which almost always have embargo periods. If anyone access my articles via sci-hub, I morally support them.
Sometimes due to certain policies and regulations, you are forced to publish in a specific journal which is not open access. That has happened to me too.
The journals does not have high costs. Their only costs are editorial team salaries and website maintenance. Everything else is done for them for free by abusing the academic system, including but not limited to writing the article, producing the figures, typesetting, peer review, and data storage and DOI.
I think police should also warn students and universities not to access libgen, an "illegal website" that allows users to download all kinds of academic books normally priced exceptionally high."
@hans Takes away nothing from the researcher but it might make it so the publisher's CEO won't be able to buy that third yacht. Very sad indeed.
@fribbledom truly horrifying crimes would be accessing library genesis, which not only has scientific information but also university-level textbooks (gasp) searchable by author, title, edition, IBSN etc. and available from several mirrors!
I just don't know how Pearson survives really, they're basically *giving* the eBooks away
Okay remind me again why are publicly funded officers working as lackeys of private, for-profit interests?
Help destroy science by making it impossible for small peer-reviewed journals to survive. Brilliant!
Also *you shouldn't* access sites like:
Library Genesis and Imperial Library of Trantor.
@fribbledom wow I hate sci-hub so much. I couldn’t have imagined using this for my school reports on vaccines, let alone scientific papers I was just interested in randomly!
What a world we live in 😂
In the modern world there is a broad consensus that science is important.
It won't die.
It will just become more free.
And in the more free ecosystem there can be healthier funding and sharing mechanisms.
We should never forget that A. Elbakyan's life became *very* complicated because she created this tool.
I am thankful to her, but very angry at colleagues of mine who use her tool but keep publishing their works at publishing houses that use expensive paywalls and sued (or could have sued) A. Elbakyan for breaking them.
F*** knowledge economy!
I think the problem is not really the knowledge #economy per se, but rather the fact that the state buys subscriptions for these houses for all universities.
+- regardless of price.
This is not a free competitive #market.
It is basically a monopsony with guaranteed sells because articles cannot substitute each other.
As i said in this thread, the state should keep itself away as it is the root of this problem.
@r_a @fribbledom You say "expensive paywalls" but I have to say it's not just about cost. #RUC university buys access to books & journals from a #CloudFlare site. Access is gratis to the students, but they must sacrifice their privacy because the material is on a Tor-blocking #CloudFlare website. #SciHub has an onion site which protects privacy. /cc @hhardy01
This actually is another big issue, thanks for mentioning it!
Some database editors also use dark patterns to encourage approval of ad cookies (while charging their use to libraries !)
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