Scientific Communism: grounded in historical materialism and offers a rigorous analysis of class struggles, production forces, and social relations
Utopian Communism (a.k.a., Libertarian Communism, a.k.a., Anarcho-Communism): the exact opposite in every way. It lacks a scientific basis, relies on idealism instead of material conditions, and, as a result, is wholly disconnected from reality.
@Radical_EgoCom @Fosco well.. "scientific socialists" never put workers in charge of production, society etc.
Instead they built giant beureaucratic regimes and most of them collapsed.
Anarchists actually built societys on the basis of communism and failed, because larger militaries destroyed them
History doesn't judge well about the accomplishments of Leninists and Maoists
Scientific Socialists gave workers as much control over production and society as they feasibly could. Full communism, where the workers have complete control over the means of production and society, couldn't be achieved immediately because of the threats of counter-revolution and capitalist states, which is why the dictatorship of the proletariat was necessary to act as a transitional phase to eventually achieve communism. 1/3
Scientific Socialists, having an understanding of science, dialectics, and class analysis, understood this and gave workers the most freedom they could realistic give them. Utopian Socialists, having no scientific understanding or material basis for their beliefs, beliefs that were more akin to dreams than realistic goals, foolishly tried to create communism too early and never made it past a couple of years if they were lucky because... 2/3
...they didn't understand that communism isn't possible in a world dominated by capitalism. You said, "History doesn't judge well about the accomplishments of Leninists and Maoists." Leninists and Maoists actually had/have accomplishments, unlike the anarchists, who only have failures to look back on. 3/3
@LucaStern @Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social kannst mir sagen auf welchen Post du dich mit dieser Antwort beziehst? Radical scheint mich blockert zu haben und ich wurde jetzt wieder in einer anderen Antwort im Zusammenhang mit einem Post von Radical erwähnt
@Fosco im Prinzip geht's darum, dass Anarchismus utopischer Mist sei und der wissenschaftliche Sozialismus der autoritären Schule nach Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin und Mao überlegen sei.
Typischer ML Bullshit
@LucaStern ah der Film, danke dir! Witzig ist ja, das ich dann gleich blockiert werde, damit ich null darauf reagieren kann. Naja mit freier Meinungsäußerung haben es ja die Tankies bekanntlich nicht so...
@LucaStern @Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
Hey Radical, you little tankie, watch this and shut up!
Anark: What is the State/ The State is Counter-Revolutionary (Part 1) :
https://youtu.be/uTwxpTyGUOI?si=t6kkBAIYBSIaQIXw
You weren't blocked. Your @ to my message didn't work for some reason. I'm just now seeing your comment. Look at the image below. My @ isn't glowing blue, which means I wasn't notified when you sent your message. Also, I've already seen that crappy video by Anark, and I don't agree with it.
@Radical_EgoCom @Fosco well if you aren't interested in debating, why don't you follow Foscos andvice?
I am interested in debating. I never said I wasn't. If you or Fosco wants to debate, then I'm ready.
@Radical_EgoCom @LucaStern @Fosco just claiming being scientific doesn’t actually make you scientific. It’s just a desperate attempt of rhetorically discrediting anti-authoritarian workers struggle. Marx used those tactics and was somewhat successful in The Hague International conference. Later most sections revoked the decisions from The Hague (where Bakunin wasn’t present) which lead to the end of the international.
@Radical_EgoCom @LucaStern @Fosco in my practical experience, MLs fail at speaking accessible language and thoughts with union members.
@Radical_EgoCom ahhh this thread made me want to go back and reread Socialism: Utopian and scientific. It’s so important to highlight the difference between the two.