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Alfred M. Szmidt

@liw "that consists only of free and open source software" -- a goal that Debian got rid of. 😠

@liw It very much did, and it isn't the silly "everything is software" shtick anymore (wrt to the GFDL). Debian now installs non-free software automatically without the users consent.

"From Debian 12, the installer will automatically check for needed firmware blobs and add them as required. If you would prefer it not to, add ..."

@amszmidt Right. I assumed that was you meant.

You're intentionally distorting the situation, like a troll. I have no tolerance for that. Bye.

it's not fair to say that they abandoned the goal
it's more like, back in the day, they started rowing in a certain direction in pursuit of that goal. turned out that rowing upstream is pretty hard, so they decided to try rowing downstream instead. they can still see the goal, it's getting farther and farther, but they can legitimately say they haven't given up the goal if they honestly believe that rowing further and further downstream will somehow take them there. I can't say that I follow their reasoning, and ISTM that they're fooling themselves and others in the process, but I can believe they (or at least some of them) still think they're pursuing that stated goal somehow. perhaps an outvoted idealistic minority surrounded by double-thinkers and misguided strategists... :-(

@lxo Sounds exactly to me like they abandoned the goal.🤔

... and haven't realized it yet? yeah, looks like it :-(

@lxo maybe they have realized it.. consider @liw getting very upset that one points it out… maybe they are still just in denial.

@lxo @liw I remember a time when had a goal of becoming the system…