Well, this is an unexpected curveball.
Jack Dorsey hopes that Bluesky will be “temporary”.
How likely is Bluesky to actually be “temporary”?
Jack Dorsey even implies that #Bluesky is just a “proof of concept”.
If that’s true, I hope no institution is setting up an account on Bluesky.
Bluesky is fine for shitposting. But anything work-related shouldn’t be hosted on a “proof of concept”.
If #Bluesky really is just a temporary proof of concept, the Tech Press sure has egg on all their faces.
This means Bluesky isn’t what they believe it to be.
How can Bluesky be the future when Jack Dorsey says it’s “temporary”?
Maybe AT protocol is the future—but that’s a separate matter from Bluesky.
The app we’re seeing now may not even exist when AT protocol gets rolled out.
Everything I see about #Bluesky’s app now makes complete sense.
If this is meant to be a proof of concept, of course Bluesky won’t concentrate on stuff like DMs or lists or text formatting.
Why would they put that kind of work in if this might be temporary?
My big conclusion from Jack Dorsey’s thread is that #Bluesky is NOT comparable to Mastodon.
You can’t compare a temporary proof of concept with something that is production-ready right now.
The hint is Bluesky’s website: staging.bsky.app
It’s “staging” for a reason!
All those clout-chasing “influencers” on #Bluesky will look ridiculous if the app ceases to exist, and they’re forced to set up their own PDS on a Raspberry Pi.
I’m not saying this will happen, but it will be funny if it does.
@atomicpoet I also love FrontPage
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social Can we really trust him though? Or is he just saying whatever people wants to hear?
@narF I doubt this is what most people using Bluesky want to hear.
@atomicpoet Hey...you got any invites to your beta server?
So long suckers, I'm joining a beta server!
Hmm that is a very fascinating idea, a social media where you are gated behind having to setup a server, something that doesn't take more than a couple of hours and googling at most to learn.
@atomicpoet I've pre emtied it left, deleted it now space back on mobi it's in the Myspace can with musk & zuk!
@atomicpoet John Mastodon strikes again.
@atomicpoet Everybody I know who has an account on there wouldn't know what a Raspberry pi even is
@atomicpoet If BlueSky has an app full of active clout chasing users they would likely sell that community for a profit before just shutting it down.
@atomicpoet clout. Ffff
@atomicpoet not cloutchasing. But I will say, it’s a lot more fun, and much easier to on ramp. Been on for 1 week and already have had much more interaction, from shittalk to politics to restaurant recs to self-reflection about the community as it constitutes itself. The mix of generosity + intellect + profanity feels like early bird site days. But with more lewds
@ActiveCultures I get barely any interaction on Bluesky. Much more here.
To be fair, @atomicpoet, you have quite a following here, as you’ve admitted to in the past: 17,000 v @ActiveCultures with 58 followers(300x more).
@maegul @ActiveCultures But this isn’t my only account. I have great conversations with all my accounts no matter my following.
@atomicpoet @ActiveCultures
Fair (and to be clear I'm not on BS or a BS/ATP advocate/shill or anything) ... but you are generally well connected, relevant and known here so I'm not entirely convinced your personal experiences/successes here are a good comparison with the casual user.
@maegul @ActiveCultures What it really is, if you don’t mind me saying, is that I’ve become accustomed to how things work here, and I’m willing to adjust to make stuff as easy to grok.
Generally, I try to discover how systems work, and how I can benefit from them.
And I believe that. But does that not make you the exception rather than the norm when it comes to the general public? Could one take your post above out of context and easily make the argument that mastodon advocates are just like linux desktop advocates that have no idea how little people want to go through the work and would rather a macOS "it just works" experience.
I won't do that, but you take my point re comparisons with other platforms.
@maegul@hachyderm.io @atomicpoet@mastodon.social @ActiveCultures@mastodon.art
I've always kind of wanted to "be the linux guy" but I'm not. I am some combination of too lazy/interested in other things. You don't have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, though.
The fediverse is the only place that I trust interacting with random people, that I have no other connection with.
I have other forums, discord, etc. for certain groups, but I did a sniff test in November and nothing has changed my opinion.
@SrRochardBunson @ActiveCultures @maegul You are the Linux guy, though. Every day, in fact.
Linux is all around us, and we don’t even need to think about it.
@maegul @ActiveCultures People keep bringing up the very tired “Linux on the desktop” meme. But a meme is just a meme.
In the real world, Linux dominates.
Your phone? Probably Linux. Your car’s infotainment system? Linux. Your router? Linux.
Chromebook? Linux.
Windows has a Linux Subsystem too.
Linux has won.
The “Linux on the desktop” naysayers don’t even realize it.
The Fediverse should be so lucky.
@atomicpoet @ActiveCultures
From a broad tech perspective, I completely agree with your point. Though I suspect it'd more applicable to compare the linux kernel to ActivityPub (??). I'm talking about linux desktop. And yea, it's tired but also kinda real. My point was that you seemed to have just described yourself as someone looking to deploy the argument against mastodon/fediverse would expect an advocate to be.
@maegul@hachyderm.io @atomicpoet@mastodon.social @ActiveCultures@mastodon.art I don't understand your position. Every internet platform has ideosyncracies. Twitter wasn't immediately obvious to those of us who were early adopters.
I'm Linux proficient - to the extent that I fiddle under the hood - and I've not seen any fediverse service that is anything like it.
I've never had to sudo anything. There's few on the fediverse who do (or the equivalent)
@Sbectol @atomicpoet @ActiveCultures
Well I'm not really making an argument in favour of another platform here, so I'm probably the wrong person to ask.
But, I'd imagine `sudo` is like moving instance or finding communities to follow/engage with here, which you wouldn't have to do or wouldn't so hard on a centralised platform like twitter or BS (right now).
That would probably be the argument though, which I'm not making.
@maegul@hachyderm.io @atomicpoet@mastodon.social @ActiveCultures@mastodon.art sudo is nothing like moving instance.
You apparently are comparing the complexity of fediverse services with Linux. For most users, using the fediverse is magnitudes easier.
@Sbectol @atomicpoet @ActiveCultures
Ok ... it's all relative. And, more importantly, it's a dynamic about what platforms people choose and why.
Broadly speaking, many (from what I can tell) believe that the fediverse suffers somewhat from being made by techy people without a great eye on or concern for UX.
I'm inclined to agree (though also suspect it's more that it's just still in beta more than most admit). More or less the same can be said for Linux Desktop.
@maegul@hachyderm.io @atomicpoet@mastodon.social @ActiveCultures@mastodon.art I'm muting you now because you clearly don't know what you are talking about.
@Sbectol @atomicpoet @ActiveCultures
Ok. Sorry to have bothered you. Genuinely don’t understand what the disconnect was here.
@maegul @ActiveCultures Largely, I don’t think this or that platform matters. The real point is ActivityPub (e.g., “the kernel”, in your analogy), and every other protocol that makes this happen.
It doesn’t matter if someone doesn’t like Mastodon because there’s probably something else that utilizes ActivityPub that will be preferable to them.
Or maybe not ActivityPub. Maybe Zot or AT instead.
Point is, this is where social media is going.
@atomicpoet @maegul @ActiveCultures it seems to me you think decentralization is to social media today what smartphones were to computing in about 2001 ?
(Personally I think the future of decentralizated social media is uncertain.)
@maegul @llewelly @atomicpoet I’m a technophobe. I have a passing understanding of how the technology works and understand and appreciate the arguments for decentralization. But some of the features hear - borne of protection - that make it hard to find friends and dig thru follower lists - also made it very hard to on-ramp and gain momentum. Esp when my instance nearly failed and I had to migrate. The risk of one awol mod ruining it was a drag
@llewelly @atomicpoet @maegul I found a sense of community within 2 days on Bsky and it’s grown easily and organically, along with intentional and reckless curating of my feed. Feels like early generous days of Twitter.
@ActiveCultures @llewelly @atomicpoet
Oh ... were you on mastodon.lol ... or that other instance I can't remember the name of where it just went down and no one knew what was happening? I recall there was a reddit thread about it and I was asking questions about it here too.
If true ... you had to just start again didn't you? DIdn't have anything to migrate or download as your prior instance just disappeared?
@atomicpoet What’s your bsky handle?
@atomicpoet Never mind. I searched. Like magic. Followed.
@atomicpoet Part of the drag for me here was that my instance almost ceased to exist. The mod went awol and the instance was almost blocked. To me, that single point of potential failure was a serious flaw in the model. I felt like I never regained any flow when I switched and tried to rebuild my still developing feed.
@atomicpoet They supposedly have, or are planning to, move it from staging to bsky.app.
I still think JACK wants it to be a temporary proof of concept, at odds with the Staff and the other board members.
@atomicpoet yeah, that bugs me a little. Why staging if it’s not a test platform?
@aulia@octodon.social @atomicpoet@mastodon.social I think it is. That is what most people did not understand before joining.
@nickapos @atomicpoet yeah,the entire platform feels like a test run after all
@gruff That’s what I believe.
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social With the BGS, that almost makes it sounds like rather than decentralization, it's more like one giant octopus data farm, plus a very think veneer of decentralization.
And for certain things like I do, I'm not sure why I'd use BlueSky's feed generator, when I mainly use domain specific xml for projects.
What if #bluesky technology is being developed so that the several hundred million monetizable #BorgSite users with its decrepit IT infrastructure can be migrated to a new platform when it finally comes all crushing down?
I am thinking of a big house that is in the final stages of burning down and then collapses as some pillars that are vital for statics are destroyed.
That is the image.
IMO #jack and #elmo are still working on the same project: l...
...fear that the big game is that they want to internationally dominate the #GlobalTownSquare of Ideas, except for present-day #authoritarian states like #NorthKorea.
I think the current #Twitter tech infrastructure is not going to live to see 2025.
@atomicpoet I hate to repeat myself again, but why is anyone listening to Jack?
What are they thinking? "THIS time, the billionaires will not fuck me over, I'm sure of it!"
@atomicpoet
Better yet, if they don't put the work in, then how could it be anything but temporary? The prophecy, she fulfills herself.
@atomicpoet Jack also just says shit like this
@atomicpoet What if it is a PoC that actually is a multitude of instances behind the facade? A protocol test platform.