@atomicpoet They recently switched over to become more of a search engine if I recall.
Apparently, though, you are more well known than I am.
@majorlinux @atomicpoet It's got me. Accurate enough profile, so far as it goes.
It's a bit disturbing that it's apparently trawled everything I've ever posted, but I'm hardly surprised.
@ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux @atomicpoet That's what I want it to do when I'm asking it a question right? Do the search for me (guessing it's using Bing because of the more accessible API), and summarize the results. LLMs are relatively good at such a task.
@Schouten_B @majorlinux @atomicpoet Lots of folks didn't give their explicit consent to be indexed by search engines, whether traditional or "AI"-powered. They just don't want that, full stop.
No-one is judging you for not caring. You do you! But there are potential safeguarding and consent issues here that are of concern to some other people.
@ApostateEnglishman @Schouten_B @majorlinux @atomicpoet
I judge them for not caring, it's exactly those kinds of people who just "shrugg" are what has made the surveillance states we live in possible (surveillance being an integral component to the rise of fascism). I judge them pretty harshly.
@contrasocial @ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux @atomicpoet I would say it's more the very concept of social media itself that makes that possible. A channel through which anyone can spread any lie they want to a bunch of idiots. Who can meanwhile lock themselves into bubbles surviving on falsehood after falsehood.
This is a bad idea. Look at a random day of things trending on Mastodon and how much of it is factually wrong.
That's probably a bigger risk than privacy (but people should do better)
@Schouten_B @contrasocial @ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux @atomicpoet Your attempt to downplay the risk to privacy you pose and distract people by trying to point a finger and blame something else is pathetic. Stick a fork in it, Firefox is done. I wonder how much money you've made from Google to tank Firefox. Collaborator.
@OdinVex @Schouten_B @contrasocial @ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux @atomicpoet Write your own system then? And stop attacking people doing good in the world.
@Dss @Schouten_B @contrasocial @ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux @atomicpoet Doing good? Fake privacy and simping for Google isn't "doing good".
@OdinVex @Dss @Schouten_B @contrasocial @ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux Dude, you’re on universeodon – a server that got lots of blowback on the Fediverse because the admin met with Meta to discuss Fediverse integration with Threads.
So if you’re going to be all purist about this, perhaps use a different server.
Be that as it may, I’m politely asking you to be kind to others.
@atomicpoet @Dss @Schouten_B @contrasocial @ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux Source on the fediversing thing? Just curious if true, completely unaware of that. If they do that I'd bail anyway.
I am being polite though. The only one you might could think I'm not polite to is the one collaborator, the Moz team claiming to be all privacy-oriented when their browser is becoming exactly not. I'm simply calling that out. If that's not polite then it appears to me Universodon is no different than Xitter/Threads, "cool with bull."
@atomicpoet @Dss @Schouten_B @contrasocial @ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux I'm not aware of who you are though. I'm not dissing, I just literally don't know who you are. I don't even know who runs this instance, I don't usually bother to find out, I just look for a place that usually looks fitting without any disinformation, bigotry, etc.
As for "purity tests"...what are you talking about? Mozilla started out a great organization making a great browser. Around v30 they started making changes that upset a lot of people, now it's started making it repeatedly easier to gleam more info about users using the browser, specifically going out of its way to implement APIs to appease Meta...that's not privacy-oriented. So when one guy claims to be a moz teamer and starts spreading disinformation about how Moz cares about privacy...it's flat out disinformation. Called it out. Not him, the claim.
@atomicpoet @Dss @Schouten_B @contrasocial @ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux I'm still baffled by the whole "purity test" phrasing. I've not made any racist or sexist remarks of any kind, nothing about religion, nothing, just literally calling out disinformation (Mozilla claiming to care about privacy when they continue to introduce more and more anti-privacy features, from Pockets to search suggestions to DoH to APIs implemented to literally sell-out how well an advertisement performed...ugh.) So yeah, I don't understand this "purity test" thing you're talking about. Already disgressed from the conversations with those two anyway about Firefox. They're fanatic about protecting the state of Firefox despite everyone being able to see Firefox for what it is now so I don't think they'll listen to me anyway.
@atomicpoet @Dss @Schouten_B @contrasocial @ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux As for your claim of being personally affected, that's horrific, sorry that happened to you, it shouldn't have.
@atomicpoet @Dss @Schouten_B @contrasocial @ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux @OdinVex I don't remember anything about Ryan Wild meeting with Meta. Even if he did, he's now participating in fediblock and limiting Threads.
https://universeodon.com/@wild1145@mastodonapp.uk/113788958867855420
@mathew @atomicpoet @Dss @Schouten_B @contrasocial @ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux If true I feel it's encouraging.
@atomicpoet @Dss @Schouten_B @contrasocial @ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux @OdinVex Ah, found it, Byron Miller.
Though it sounds like he'd also be defederating Threads at this point:
https://medium.com/@sn2006gy/universeodon-com-planning-for-the-future-2dd66a7d66ef
@atomicpoet @Dss @Schouten_B @contrasocial @ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux @OdinVex Is the point you're making that a person shouldn't criticize what someone's doing right now, if the person doing the criticizing makes use of a service that used to be run by someone who made a questionable decision about some other matter at some time in the past?
@atomicpoet @Dss @Schouten_B @contrasocial @ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux @mathew Edit: Removed, realized the way Tokodon shows users it's the furthest left who is being replied to, not the furthest right. (Example: @UserReplyingTo@... list of users... @FirstUser@.... Message Draft, got confused, my bad.)
@Schouten_B @ApostateEnglishman @contrasocial @Dss @atomicpoet @majorlinux @OdinVex I thought the history, people and policies involved in the universeodon vs fedipact thing were relevant so I posted them. I wouldn’t have asked you anything if you hadn’t decided to say I was missing the point. But if you don’t want to clarify, fine.
@atomicpoet @Dss @Schouten_B @contrasocial @ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux "Firefox, we care about your privacy, just ignore us while we implement an API to provide Meta with more info..." Then get told by a Moz they care about privacy? Downright *disinformation*. I care about mine and everyone else's right to privacy, worldwide, I don't see calling them about that out as unkind or unpolite. But fine, digressing from the conversations.
@OdinVex @atomicpoet @Dss @contrasocial @ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux Which API are you talking about that 'gives meta more data'?
@Schouten_B @atomicpoet @Dss @contrasocial @ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux *IPA/PPA, a flat-out sick joke being called that. PPA/IPA same thing.
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/privacy-preserving-attribution-for-advertising/
From Mozilla, of all people. Blatant. Read that, it's a blatant suck-off of advertising giant Meta. Entrenching it in W3C, even it's becoming enshittified. Firefox's beginning to look and function like an Idiocracy television.
@Dss @Schouten_B @contrasocial @ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux @atomicpoet It's a monumental task maintaining forks let alone rolling a whole browser. It'd be easier for Mozilla to just stop helping Apple/Amazon/Facebook/Google/Microsoft and all the other JavaShit peekaboo collaborators out there, *that* would help do good in the world.
@Dss @OdinVex @contrasocial @ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux @atomicpoet I appreciate the comment. You get a thick skin for this kind of stuff. It's funny when people make accusations to you of conspiracies that you know for a fact aren't true.
It gives an interesting perspective into the conspiratorial mind and I always try to keep it in mind when I see conspiracies in parties I have difficulty trusting .
But yeah. Most of us at Moz take a paycut because we believe in what we're doing.
@Schouten_B @Dss @contrasocial @ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux @atomicpoet You sound just like those CEOs saying people should be grateful to work for them while they abuse their workers. I wonder how you can believe in that. "Let's make it worse and think it's better!"
Taking control from the user is not better. Helping ad-companies is not better. Helping Google/Meta/whoever is not better. "We are the chosen few, we know what's best for you" is the biggest reason Firefox's given for all this crap, paraphrased from a bunch of bugzilla-onward replies. No, my PC my choice.
My contention overall is this: Firefox is not about user privacy (it used to be, it was the holy grail for a long while). You claiming it is still about user privacy while it continues to erode it is just plain disinformation. Disgressing the conversation, Firefox's done, stick a fork in it people, it's Chromed.
@Schouten_B @Dss @OdinVex @ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux @atomicpoet
Real talk though, you guys are actively ruining Firefox. It's literally the worst it's ever been.
I quite literally blocked updates to avoid the AI garbage. People will take the security risks over the new "vision" for FF, that's how bad it is and how deeply it betrays the principles the browser is meant to embody.
@contrasocial @Schouten_B @Dss @ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux @atomicpoet I've been using a heavily-modified version of LibreWolf and they've been doing a lot of the hard, heavy-lifting that I don't see upstream sometimes. And yes, these are the sentiments I've grown over the years. I miss my statusbar *always docked* at the bottom...
Edit: A lot of the Firefox developers I've spoken with (I stopped going into an IRC a long while back though, very toxic about saying nothing bad about Firefox, not even bugs) about it don't seem to realize the sentiments around Firefox. It's become a DRM used against us browsing the web and gets worse every so-often.
Edit: A quick search about Firefox and AI and omFG...Chatbots in browsers?! It's a browser, it's not meant to include mis/dis-information/train-big-tech-AI-for-free null. That should be extensions for...whoever, not an integration...ugh.
@contrasocial @Schouten_B @Dss @ApostateEnglishman @majorlinux @atomicpoet Laughably they have (last entry, of course): "How do I remove this from Firefox? - In the sidebar, choose the settings icon Sidebar Settings 15112024. In the Customize sidebar panel, uncheck the AI chatbot box in the Firefox tools section." That doesn't remove a thing, that just disables it. That's not REMOVED. The language they use to misrepresent it...disgusting and malicious, abusive.