@iinac -- It uses a lot less energy because the model is a lot smaller, very likely through curation of the data before the model was created.
The "cost" they are referring to is the amount of electricity and green house gasses it created to make the multi-dimensional model.
It neglects the "cost" of human work being done before that point to curate and validate all the data going into that AI model.
> It neglects the "cost" of human work being done before that point to curate and validate all the data going into that AI model.
That is a cost for #wikipedia that would have welcomed such contribution. Otherwise that is a plain and simple added-value to the companies, and countries taking part in this, so called, curation.
#AI #DeepSeek #GenerativeAI #AIisTheft
"Curation" does not solve the "THEFT" issue with #AI and #GenerativeAI
A Sustainable AI future includes AI companies having teams in the real world searching for new art and new science to validate and add to their models, through LICENSING or PAYING ROYALTIES to use that data from the artists and scientists.
@jeffowski @aziz @iinac @blogdiva At the scales of data required to train the models a licensing agreement and financial transaction for every piece of data isn’t possible. Not enough people or time to do it. Which is a solid case for prohibiting it altogether by my lights.
@daedalean --
Offer a better solution then.
The "scale" you are talking about is getting smaller and smaller every day based on the computing power we have, so discounting it based on that alone is absolute bullshit and defeatist.
Nihilism is a bad look. Don't take us down with you.
I worked in the iTunes Royalties team for a bit when I was at Apple and the amount of music on that platform DWARFS the nearest competitors combined. It has been done before.
@jeffowski @aziz @iinac @blogdiva the computing power required to train on the data is reducing. The amount of data required is not. Deepseek uses 671 Billion parameters.
@daedalean --
OK... But that still doesn't invalidate the Licensing and Royalties legal model I've proposed...
Curating is the only way to keep the greenhouse gases and electricity costs down.
If you look at the current popular pathways through the multi-dimensional models, the vast majority of the model is never used. Curation is the only way to cut away the waste before the expenditure of heat and CO2.
@jeffowski @aziz @iinac @blogdiva it invalidates the business case to do it at all. Go take your iTunes licensing platform for say visual art. Use deepseek v3 (opensource!) for your model. Figure out how much you will pay each artist for adding a piece of art. See if anyone jumps at the opportunity.
@daedalean --
So you're OK with the theft of intellectual property and wealth transfer from these creators to the big #AI companies.
Why didn't you just say that from the beginning?
Does it just stop there? How about slavery?
The US was built on the labor and wealth transfer of slavery but it was all OK because it built the United States?
@jeffowski @aziz @iinac @blogdiva I am clearly opposed to it, I advocate prohibiting it.