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@fabianegli I will not donate to the @eff as long as they continue to promote Cloudflare & turn a blind eye to CF’s detriment to digital rights (esp. #privacy). Cloudflare marginalizes privacy seekers at the infrastructural level while EFF looks the other way.
The #EFF disserviced the public when they concealed the fact that #Cloudflare holds the keys and sees all traffic on the sites they serve:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/10/how-cloudflare-moved-web-toward-ubiquitous-https
Cloudflare is antithetical to the rights EFF is supposed to stand for yet continues to benefit from EFF’s boot licking.
1. It is not Cloudflare's fault when websites don't make use of HTTPS and so fail to give the users privacy and security.
2. The article is from 2014. Ten years ago much of the internet traffic still did not use HTTPS by default. Generally, Cloudflare's move was a win for privacy and security on the web.
3. Did you ask EFF back then to clarify the language about the certificate ownership? Did they refuse?
IMO, you linked to an informative, short report about a win.
@deflarerOfClouds @eff And you let the wording of one press release from ten years ago dismay you from supporting the makers of the certbot which makes it easy to install certificates and keeping them updated? The actions of EFF speak for themselves.
@fabianegli
Promoting a nemesis to their mission showcases loss of integrity. It’s not just 1 article - it’s the past 10 years of articles that are favorable to CF (query: “cloudflare site:eff.org”). Having done something that’s actually aligned with the movement is useless in face of lost integrity. It would be like searching “microsoft site:fsf.org” and seeing 10 years of favorable or neutral treatment of one of the top adversaries to free software, but deciding “that’s fine, because FSF created librejs”. If you were to search “republican site:aclu.org” and find a majority of articles speaking favorably about the political party that’s antithetical to civil liberties, you would have to be quite confused to support ACLU.
It’s shameful that #EFF has not condemned #Cloudflare and so much as informed users about tools that help people avoid Cloudflare.
@eff
Times change. And the way EFF thinks about CF has changed, too. It might - and probably will - again. A self-critical article discusses what infrastructure is and how that impacts how EFF views CF.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/12/we-need-talk-about-infrastructure
Could EFF have been more explicitly critical of CF? I think so. But CF is but one hurdle to privacy. Reducing EFFs work to "Having done something [good]" grossly understates their work and impact. And I think you know that.
@fabianegli @eff has never properly identified #Cloudflare as an adversary to an open and free internet. It was around 2013 that CF started across-the-board hostility targeting the Tor community. We’ve been marginalized under that oppression for 10 years.
I really don’t give a rat’s ass whether #EFF deems Cloudflare “infrastructure” or not. Their incompetence is evident in the article you linked:
“Nonetheless, a CDN doesn’t have the lights on/off quality that other things do and only very rarely is its quality-of-life impact severe enough that it qualifies for the “pretty much infra” category we just covered. Unfortunately, mischaracterizing the infrastructural quality of CDNs is a common mistake, one we’ve even made ourselves.”
^ Absolute bullshit. When a reverse proxy is unavailable the source website is also unreachable. So of course it’s a “lights off quality”. Of course denying ~30%+ of the web to several different demographics has a quality-of-life impact. I could not even get medical information during a medical emergecy because #Cloudflare blocked me. I don’t give a fuck how they want to define infra, but when #EFF defines it in a way that causes them to turn a blind eye to #humanRights violations, they’ve fucked up and don’t deserve a penny until they fix their perversion of how they interpret the mission people rely on them for.
Wired ran an article at one point that did a deep dive on EFF’s agenda. They have in internal bias against direct gov. surveillance which shadows the minor extent they actually care about private sector surveillance. Obviously it’s a bit out of touch when the tech giants are sharing with 3 letter orgs unconstrained with reckless disregard. Gov surveillance was the top concern of folks online in the 90s. Indeed times have changed so the mass surveillance threat model includes tech giants as much as the gov — yet the EFF has failed to evolve from the 90s.
@deflarerOfClouds I hear you. And I am very sorry to hear that you were unable to access medical information when in need. If you know an organisation that supports the adaption and adherence to the human rights better than the EFF, by all means, send your money there. And please let us know who they are.
@eff
I'd like you to walk back your mistakes on KF so I can scale my donations back up again.