An extract from https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/episode/139-daniel-christian-wahl, a conversation with Daniel Christian Wahl
The following is quoting Daniel.
On life and science:
“We need to come back to an animist perspective, because otherwise we won’t treat our larger body in a way that doesn’t hurt it, because you have to be an animist to understand that what I do to this world, I do to myself, to some extent…
…“and I think if you deeply understand the complexity of what’s coming out of science right now, and how it is all interrelated with regard to microbiome and soil and all of that, you begin to see that it is actually somewhat more parsimonious – to use the scientific term – to assume that life and consciousness is primarily present in everything, then that it emerges ‘ex nihilo’ at some point in the system…
…“And so, it’s just as scientifically valid to understand life as a planetary process that manifests through species and individuals, but one whole unfolding in a Bohmian way, than it is to map that complexity through individuals and species and their characteristics…
…“I’m not saying that science is false, but we’re not looking at the other side of the coin, which is what James Lovelock and all those people tried to build, and what somehow Earth system science is inviting us more into, and soil science is inviting us more into, and medical science, and now even quantum field theory is making us basically understand that the story we tell about the nature of reality is highly limited and limiting.”
…Daniel Christian Wahl on regenerative cities:
“I think that the work of Patrick Geddes on town planning, and there’s actually a wonderful retake on that by a guy called Herbert Girardet who worked for the World Futures Council, and they published a little booklet that is freely available on the internet called Regenerative Cities.
[pdf: https://www.worldfuturecouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WFC_2010_Regenerative_Cities.pdf from https://www.worldfuturecouncil.org/regenerative-cities]
…“And in that, [Herbert Girardet] describes the move from ‘Petropolis’ to ‘Ecopolis’ as a thinking tool. And he shows how a city can actually do all the kind of closing the loops and so on to make its international trade dependencies a lot less, and build these vital relationships of the city to the hinterland.
And this goes beyond just building regenerative, sustainable, salutogenic cities. It is actually vital to health…
…“It’s vital to food security. It’s vital to disaster preparedness. It’s vital to avoiding the kind of mess that [the USA] is in right now, because the disenfranchising of the ruralities by the city elites leads to the uprising of demagogues like your once and possibly future president.
If we want to, it is a creative way of taking the energy out of the sails of the ultra right people that are fishing for these disenfranchised people…
…“ Because if you come back to bioregion and place, and you clearly
distinguish yourself – we’re not creating a bioregion for us against others – you really bring it in, like…
‘This bioregion is richer because of the diversity that is now here. Also, our diversity of opinions and different nationalities in this bioregion is part of life’s diversity and therefore part of the creative potential of this place.’
In that framing…
…“we can build city and rural development that is much more inclusive to everybody who’s there, that engages them, that creates new job
opportunities, new opportunities for production and consumption in a regional economy, that buffers against the volatility of the now increasingly volatile global economy that, if you haven’t noticed, is in its last 24 years.” 
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